Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) They can't hold all of that this year...and they're going to have this Deron Williams guy to deal with. $30 mil in cap space isn't enough to max-offer both of them. I should also add that the new CBA does appear to make it much harder to fill out a roster around 2 recently signed big salaries like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) They can't hold all of that this year...and they're going to have this Deron Williams guy to deal with. $30 mil in cap space isn't enough to max-offer both of them. Deron's $17.8 million player option is already counted against their total. They'd have damn near enough space for two other maxes BESIDES Deron. Edit- However, my math was slightly off because the total didn't count a couple of options/qualifying offers properly. Their salary/holds would leave them about $23 million in space and it already includes Deron, Lopez (qualifying offer), Morrow and a couple other players. That's enough for Dwight and another $6-7 mil or so depending on what the max ends up at, plus if they had to they could out-right Lopez and make another $4.1 mil in space. New Jersey is well positioned to have plenty of room for Dwight and still have enough left over to add another role player or two. Edited December 13, 2011 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Pacers having an interesting offseason. SG-Crawford SF Granger PF West C Hibbert Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) Pacers having an interesting offseason. SG-Crawford SF Granger PF West C Hibbert Very interesting. To me, that's a .500 lineup at best. But at least they would be competitive. Edited December 13, 2011 by Palehosefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) Pacers having an interesting offseason. SG-Crawford SF Granger PF West C Hibbert Very interesting. That West signing was pretty amazing assuming he's healthy. They're not quite a contender, but I think they're around the 5th best team in the East as things are structured right now and I could see them pushing the Bulls or Heat to six games if they make the second round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) To me, that's a .500 lineup at best. But at least they would be competitive. I'd say add about 5 wins since they play in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 They remind me of the mid decade Bulls. I think at some point they will make a move to get someone. Not tier 1 superstar, but someone to get people excited in indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) They remind me of the mid decade Bulls. I think at some point they will make a move to get someone. Not tier 1 superstar, but someone to get people excited in indiana. Sort of what I was thinking. Those Bulls were probably better defensively, but I think these Pacers have more offensive punch. Granger and West are both fringe-stars that can score, Hibbert has some touch down low, Collison is a decent all-around point, and they'll have some scorers off the bench with Crawford (yes, I'm assuming George starts for defense, and they have plenty of options with the first unit) and Hansbrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) That Crawford deal isn't done, is it? The Bulls would be smart to swoop in and offer 3 years at the MLE ($15 guaranteed, vs $5+$5). He could be our Jason Terry lite. The Bulls had better take the Rip Hamilton blinders off and f***ing make that offer to a player in his prime who greatly matches what we need, vs another guy who needs an entire team to set screens to be effective. Edited December 13, 2011 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 09:16 PM) That Crawford deal isn't done, is it? The Bulls would be smart to swoop in and offer 3 years at the MLE ($15 guaranteed, vs $5+$5). He could be our Jason Terry lite. The Bulls had better take the Rip Hamilton blinders off and f***ing make that offer to a player in his prime who greatly matches what we need, vs another guy who needs an entire team to set screens to be effective. It's done, we're getting rip. edit: not officially done, but there's been no other words except assured confidence that rip will sign tomorrow. And no, i don't want crawford for 3/15. Edited December 13, 2011 by bmags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) It's done, we're getting rip. edit: not officially done, but there's been no other words except assured confidence that rip will sign tomorrow. And no, i don't want crawford for 3/15. Crawford @ 3/15 is better than the corpse of Rip Hamilton for this roster, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Well then this should make you unhappy, as well. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21748...andez_From_Mavs edit: Also, I'm willing to give Rip a chance. I thought Shawn Marion was deader than a doornail, and then he re-emerged last year as his scrappy self. Sometimes these players will find their youth on a competitive team. Edited December 13, 2011 by bmags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:24 PM) Well then this should make you unhappy, as well. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21748...andez_From_Mavs edit: Also, I'm willing to give Rip a chance. I thought Shawn Marion was deader than a doornail, and then he re-emerged last year as his scrappy self. Sometimes these players will find their youth on a competitive team. Rudy. Good old Rudy. I used to love Rudy. I think Thibs would eat Rudy alive. Good point on Marion; I just hate Rip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Hamilton is goose dung. Marion brought athleticism, rebounding and versatility defensively. He could effectively guard 2's, 3's and 4's. Rip doesn't address a single need for the Bulls. Forget about the Heat. How are the Bulls better than the Knicks? Full year of Carmelo and the second best defensive C in the game > Boozer staying healthy, RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) Hamilton is goose dung. Marion brought athleticism, rebounding and versatility defensively. He could effectively guard 2's, 3's and 4's. Rip doesn't address a single need for the Bulls. Forget about the Heat. How are the Bulls better than the Knicks? Full year of Carmelo and the second best defensive C in the game > Boozer staying healthy, RIP. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Really? Yes. With no legitimate additions, I expect at least semi-regression from the Bulls. Everybody knows they overachieved last year. I expect Rose to continue his natural progression. But where's the upside for the rest of the roster? The Knicks only had Carmelo for 25 games last year. And Tyson is a massive upgrade for them at C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) Hamilton is goose dung. Marion brought athleticism, rebounding and versatility defensively. He could effectively guard 2's, 3's and 4's. Rip doesn't address a single need for the Bulls. Forget about the Heat. How are the Bulls better than the Knicks? Full year of Carmelo and the second best defensive C in the game > Boozer staying healthy, RIP. Because the Knicks suck defensively still? I don't care if they have Chandler, he's one player and in D'Antoni's system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 And will probably be injured for 2/3 of the season. This page is hyperbole central. Rip doesn't serve a single need for us? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) And will probably be injured for 2/3 of the season. This page is hyperbole central. Rip doesn't serve a single need for us? Really? Nope, Bogans is just light-years better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 04:48 PM) Yes. With no legitimate additions, I expect at least semi-regression from the Bulls. Everybody knows they overachieved last year. I expect Rose to continue his natural progression. But where's the upside for the rest of the roster? The Knicks only had Carmelo for 25 games last year. And Tyson is a massive upgrade for them at C. The Bulls missed Noah for 1/2 the year, Boozer for 1/3 of the year, and frankly, never got Noah back healthy after his injury, he was never the same player afterwards. Add in a second year in the system for these guys and there is room for growth there. Adding in depth behind Luol Deng could help Luol Deng become a better player, and frankly, shifting Bogans's minutes to Brewer, Korver, and Hamilton is an upgrade as well. Omer Asik also has substantial room for improvement in his 2nd year and that would give the Bulls both better inside play and potentially a really useful trade asset. The counterpoint of course is that "Boozer and Noah are always hurt!" which is 100% true at this point. Getting them to stay mostly healthy for a season and have it not affect their performance would be impressive. The biggest thing on that line for the Bulls is that if they had the Noah from November last year, instead of the Post March Noah, they'd be a vastly improved team. The early season Noah was a dominator, the late season Noah was pretty darn weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) Hamilton is goose dung. Marion brought athleticism, rebounding and versatility defensively. He could effectively guard 2's, 3's and 4's. Rip doesn't address a single need for the Bulls. Forget about the Heat. How are the Bulls better than the Knicks? Full year of Carmelo and the second best defensive C in the game > Boozer staying healthy, RIP. They don't have a single guard worth a s***. "Second best defensive C in the game > Boozer staying healthy" Let's just take that little snippet out, because of it's comical effect. Tyson Chandler last 5 years total games played (out of 410): 322 Carlos Boozer last 5 years total games played (out of 410): 329 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 03:48 PM) Yes. With no legitimate additions, I expect at least semi-regression from the Bulls. Everybody knows they overachieved last year. I expect Rose to continue his natural progression. But where's the upside for the rest of the roster? The Knicks only had Carmelo for 25 games last year. And Tyson is a massive upgrade for them at C. Also, teams with the "youngest MVP in NBA history" can normally be expected to get better based on that fact alone. Also, when do we bring up Amare's knee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 New all-black alternate Heat jersey makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I'll go on another part of this rant... Knicks' bench right now... PG- Mike Bibby's corpse SG- Iman Shumpert SF- Bill Walker PF- Renaldo Balkman, Jared Jeffries C- Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrelson While I think benches are a bit overrated, that's worse than the Heat. They're going to get out-scored by 25 points/100 possessions when those guys are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 04:41 PM) Hamilton is goose dung. Marion brought athleticism, rebounding and versatility defensively. He could effectively guard 2's, 3's and 4's. Rip doesn't address a single need for the Bulls. Forget about the Heat. How are the Bulls better than the Knicks? Full year of Carmelo and the second best defensive C in the game > Boozer staying healthy, RIP. What in the world......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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