Soxbadger Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Even without Rose the Bulls wouldnt be as bad as Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 You guys are hilarious. You think Rose won the MVP because people thought he was the best player? LeBron and Howard were clearly better. Rose got it because they recognized how awful they would be without him. Just like with Iverson in '01. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:20 PM) Even without Rose the Bulls wouldnt be as bad as Cleveland. I don't want to see a Luol Deng-led Bulls team with Carlos Boozer playing the sidekick role. That's 30 wins. Tops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) I don't want to see a Luol Deng-led Bulls team with Carlos Boozer playing the sidekick role. That's 30 wins. Tops. So they'd be a .500 team without Rose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) I don't want to see a Luol Deng-led Bulls team with Carlos Boozer playing the sidekick role. That's 30 wins. Tops. I really don't see your point. Where would the Mavs be without Dirk? Where would the Lakers be without Kobe? What about the Rockets without Hakeem? What about the early Spurs without Duncan? The Bad Boys without Isaiah? You can say that about a lot of teams without their stars. Edited December 14, 2011 by ZoomSlowik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Cleveland won 19 games last year. 30 wins is considerably better than 19, more than 1.5x better actually. The Bulls wouldnt be as bad as Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:29 PM) Cleveland won 19 games last year. 30 wins is considerably better than 19, more than 1.5x better actually. The Bulls wouldnt be as bad as Cleveland. I meant that as a best case scenario. 30 wins is being generous. Edited December 14, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 The Bulls without Rose are better than Detroit, who won 30 games last year. The guy you say is worthless (Hamilton) was arguably one of their best 3 players. This is a puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) lol. I'm looking at the roster and it's even less impressive than what I remembered. Unless you're saying the Bulls' roster is better? Nobody has clarified that. What? Of course this Bulls' roster is MUCH better than that Sixers' roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Whatever. I got a draft coming up. I must prepare. I'm taking Carlos Boozer with the first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:39 PM) I'm taking Carlos Boozer with the first pick. NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) I meant that as a best case scenario. 30 wins is being generous. 0_o They'd probably still have Hinrich so... Hinrich - Bogans - Deng - Boozer - Noah Watson - Brewer - Korver - Taj - Asik That's not a 19 win team. That's probably 30. Also: RK TEAM OWN OPP DIFF OWN OPP OWN OPP FT% OFF DEF TOT OWN OPP 1 Miami 102.1 94.6 +7.5 .481 .434 .370 .345 .769 .252 .755 .518 13.9 13.2 2 Chicago 98.6 91.3 +7.3 .462 .430 .361 .326 .743 .294 .762 .535 14.2 14.1 3 LA Lakers 101.5 95.4 +6.1 .463 .437 .352 .335 .779 .292 .723 .515 13.1 13.6 4 San Antonio 103.7 98.0 +5.7 .475 .456 .397 .367 .767 .249 .746 .504 13.4 13.4 5 Orlando 99.2 93.7 +5.5 .461 .436 .366 .350 .692 .261 .769 .521 14.9 13.9 Bulls weren't lucky, they were just damn good on defense. Luck is being the Atlanta Hawks (-.8) differential and being a fifth seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 You should consider a screen name change. Youre disgracing a sacred name with your embarrassing basketball talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 08:59 PM) You should consider a screen name change. Youre disgracing a sacred name with your embarrassing basketball talk. He means Brian Jordan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I always thought he meant Jordan Knight from New Kids On The Block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 "...Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in the frying pan and mix it up with another something, then throw it on top of something, then fry it up and put it in a tortilla and put in a microwave, heat it up and give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? For those of you who can cook, y'all know what I'm talking about. If y'all can't cook, this doesn't concern you." -KG What the f*** does KG eat? http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7...d-training-camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGone33 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 If the Bulls sign Rip, is he allowed to wear a headband? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (HeGone33 @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 10:49 PM) If the Bulls sign Rip, is he allowed to wear a headband? I think his is part of covering up his mask, so he might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Nets supposedly coming up with a 4 team trade proposal for Howard and Hedo with Brook Lopez, 1st rounders and a significant piece on the table also. Since Nene re-signed with the Nuggets (sleeper team this season IMO), they are probably going to focus hard on Howard. Although I read somewhere today, if the Mavs amnesty Haywood at the end of this season and with Odom's expiring deal (I assume Kidd's deal also finishes at the end of this season), apparently they could have the cap room to sign both Deron Williams and Howard (how that would work I'm not sure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) Oh my goodness. Again, Rip is awful. He's old, unathletic, can't create a shot for himself or anybody else, and is a hack defensively. He's better than Keith Bogans so that's an upgrade? lol. The Bulls were not 62 wins good last year. Their division was terrible. It might be terrible again. Who knows. They still have nobody to take the scoring/playmaking load off of Rose. They have nobody that commands a double-team inside. Boozer, even when healthy, is a hack defensively. Athletic front-courts eat him for breakfast. And the Knicks now have the best front-court in the east. Even with the Knicks' deficiencies last year, they're a 50+ win team with 'Melo. Amare/Melo should be even better this year now that they've had a chance to mesh some. Tyson Chandler changes everything. Talk about Dirk all you want. Tyson's elite defensively abilities were the difference between last year's Mavs and all the other chocking teams they've had in the past. Their backcourt is not terrible. Fields > Rip. No question there. I can think of a lot worse PGs than Douglas. Knicks, Bulls can go either way. But the Knicks have improved. The Bulls simply haven't. If bogans replacement is better than bogans, then by definition it is an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 04:54 AM) the Nuggets (sleeper team this season IMO) I don't really see how this would be possible. They still haven't resigned Afflalo (but I imagine they will), however, Chandler and JR Smith being stuck in China doesn't help anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 04:54 AM) Although I read somewhere today, if the Mavs amnesty Haywood at the end of this season and with Odom's expiring deal (I assume Kidd's deal also finishes at the end of this season), apparently they could have the cap room to sign both Deron Williams and Howard (how that would work I'm not sure). Not true. Dirk alone is nearly $21 million, Marion is another $8.6 mil. That already takes them below double-max space and they'd still have a few other lesser/cheaper players on the books. They could easily have room for one or the other though with a number of expiring deals and that amnesty in their pocket. Supposedly that's the main reason they didn't want to spring for Chandler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 08:16 AM) I don't really see how this would be possible. They still haven't resigned Afflalo (but I imagine they will), however, Chandler and JR Smith being stuck in China doesn't help anything. Yeah, a lineup of Lawson/maybe Afflalo/Gallinari/Harrington I guess/Nene isn't exactly imposing on paper. Their biggest strength post-Melo last year is that they went 2-deep with starting-caliber players at nearly every position. Felton, Chandler, K-Mart and Smith appear to be gone at the moment and their replacements are far less interesting (Miller, Brewer, Fernandez and Faried at the moment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id...c-dwight-howard Magic would get Brook Lopez, Gerald Wallace, and draft picks while shedding Turkoglu and Duhon's contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 That would be quite the welcome to NBA hell, unless they flipped Wallace later for picks and went into tank mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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