RibbieRubarb Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Now I have always wanted us to go after someone for the 5th spot. But after looking at our upcoming schedule and counting the days off I predict we'll on'y use that starter for 5 starts, maybe 6. Is that enough to send away more prospects for a Jeff Suppan? Now if it was Kelvim Escobar...maybe, because he could easily go into the bullpen for playoff time and be REALLY effective. But still...it is needed? Or is another hard-throwing set-up man needed to solidify that bullpen and make it 6 inning games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 with the yanks and bo sox comin up and more of minny and kc.. there is nothing easy about the remainder of the schedule..... yeah we need a 5th... why wear out the arms...another starter would be beneficial to ensure that the guys get good and rested......dont know if suppan is the answer or not, but a 5th would be nice to have around....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 I wasn't implying the remainder of the schedule was easy. I was stating that with days off, a fifth starter will only be required 5 or 6 times over the remaing two months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 They need one but if KW says the price it too high, everyone knows the price is too high. If one of the 4 starters misses a start or two the Sox would be in serious trouble with no one to fall back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Now I have always wanted us to go after someone for the 5th spot. But after looking at our upcoming schedule and counting the days off I predict we'll on'y use that starter for 5 starts, maybe 6. Is that enough to send away more prospects for a Jeff Suppan? Now if it was Kelvim Escobar...maybe, because he could easily go into the bullpen for playoff time and be REALLY effective. But still...it is needed? Or is another hard-throwing set-up man needed to solidify that bullpen and make it 6 inning games. U make a very good point. I've checked to and the 5th starter would only pitch about 5 more times. But with what we have now that could mean 5 losses...If we were up 5-6 gms and in 1st place we could probably afford to lose those gms. But being behind we have to atleast give ourselves a chance to win every time out. And don't forget if we do get a quality 5th guy and make the playoffs we could use him in the pen as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 They need one but if KW says the price it too high, everyone knows the price is too high. If one of the 4 starters misses a start or two the Sox would be in serious trouble with no one to fall back on. Yeah man..I read about that too. U probably got gm's askin for guys like Cotts or Reed. We can't totally suck the farm system dry this year. If we have to we can win with what we've got...I feel real confident about this team right now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Now I have always wanted us to go after someone for the 5th spot. But after looking at our upcoming schedule and counting the days off I predict we'll on'y use that starter for 5 starts, maybe 6. Is that enough to send away more prospects for a Jeff Suppan? Now if it was Kelvim Escobar...maybe, because he could easily go into the bullpen for playoff time and be REALLY effective. But still...it is needed? Or is another hard-throwing set-up man needed to solidify that bullpen and make it 6 inning games. U make a very good point. I've checked to and the 5th starter would only pitch about 5 more times. But with what we have now that could mean 5 losses...If we were up 5-6 gms and in 1st place we could probably afford to lose those gms. But being behind we have to atleast give ourselves a chance to win every time out. And don't forget if we do get a quality 5th guy and make the playoffs we could use him in the pen as well... How did you come up with 5 more times? I have: Aug 2nd 12th 17th 30th Sep 7th 12th 20th 25th That's 8, how did you figure so differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Now I have always wanted us to go after someone for the 5th spot. But after looking at our upcoming schedule and counting the days off I predict we'll on'y use that starter for 5 starts, maybe 6. Is that enough to send away more prospects for a Jeff Suppan? Now if it was Kelvim Escobar...maybe, because he could easily go into the bullpen for playoff time and be REALLY effective. But still...it is needed? Or is another hard-throwing set-up man needed to solidify that bullpen and make it 6 inning games. U make a very good point. I've checked to and the 5th starter would only pitch about 5 more times. But with what we have now that could mean 5 losses...If we were up 5-6 gms and in 1st place we could probably afford to lose those gms. But being behind we have to atleast give ourselves a chance to win every time out. And don't forget if we do get a quality 5th guy and make the playoffs we could use him in the pen as well... How did you come up with 5 more times? I have: Aug 2nd 12th 17th 30th Sep 7th 12th 20th 25th That's 8, how did you figure so differently? I don't think u factored in off days.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Now I have always wanted us to go after someone for the 5th spot. But after looking at our upcoming schedule and counting the days off I predict we'll on'y use that starter for 5 starts, maybe 6. Is that enough to send away more prospects for a Jeff Suppan? Now if it was Kelvim Escobar...maybe, because he could easily go into the bullpen for playoff time and be REALLY effective. But still...it is needed? Or is another hard-throwing set-up man needed to solidify that bullpen and make it 6 inning games. U make a very good point. I've checked to and the 5th starter would only pitch about 5 more times. But with what we have now that could mean 5 losses...If we were up 5-6 gms and in 1st place we could probably afford to lose those gms. But being behind we have to atleast give ourselves a chance to win every time out. And don't forget if we do get a quality 5th guy and make the playoffs we could use him in the pen as well... How did you come up with 5 more times? I have: Aug 2nd 12th 17th 30th Sep 7th 12th 20th 25th That's 8, how did you figure so differently? I don't think u factored in off days.... Yes, that's with off days, remember off days don't neccesarily mean the 5th starter gets bumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Now I have always wanted us to go after someone for the 5th spot. But after looking at our upcoming schedule and counting the days off I predict we'll on'y use that starter for 5 starts, maybe 6. Is that enough to send away more prospects for a Jeff Suppan? Now if it was Kelvim Escobar...maybe, because he could easily go into the bullpen for playoff time and be REALLY effective. But still...it is needed? Or is another hard-throwing set-up man needed to solidify that bullpen and make it 6 inning games. U make a very good point. I've checked to and the 5th starter would only pitch about 5 more times. But with what we have now that could mean 5 losses...If we were up 5-6 gms and in 1st place we could probably afford to lose those gms. But being behind we have to atleast give ourselves a chance to win every time out. And don't forget if we do get a quality 5th guy and make the playoffs we could use him in the pen as well... How did you come up with 5 more times? I have: Aug 2nd 12th 17th 30th Sep 7th 12th 20th 25th That's 8, how did you figure so differently? I don't think u factored in off days.... Yes, that's with off days, remember off days don't neccesarily mean the 5th starter gets bumped. lol...with us that's exactly what it means.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Of course an off day means the # 5 guy gets bumped. Who are you going to bump, Loaiza? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I figured 5 times without any starters going on short rest or 4 times if one of the starters goes on three days rest only once. Aug. 12, 17, 22, Sept. 9 or 13 (depending on how they set the rotation) and a date in late September. All of the other dates can be filled by the four starters with their normal rest. Work with us here UNS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delben91 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 I figured 5 times without any starters going on short rest or 4 times if one of the starters goes on three days rest only once. Aug. 12, 17, 22, Sept. 9 or 13 (depending on how they set the rotation) and a date in late September. All of the other dates can be filled by the four starters with their normal rest. Work with us here UNS. Those dates are: at Anaheim, at Texas, Texas, either Minnesota (9th) or at Boston (13) and then likely either home against KC or the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 the fifth starter wouldn't get skipped, his starts will just be pushed back, so instead of the fifth guy going on four days rest, he may pitch on six days rest. in the end, that will cut out about 3-4 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 we will need a fifth starter exactly 9 times the rest of the season. something interesting to note is the fact that we had two postphoned games against the Indians this year but only made up one of those games, meaning the Sox will play the Indians on the last day of the season IF it has any implications on the standings. IF we end up facing the Indians, Buehrle would be scheduled to pitch. here is the remaining schedule and probables. 29-July Garland 30-July Loaiza 1-Aug Colon 2-Aug UD 3-Aug Buehrle 4-Aug Garland 5-Aug Loaiza 6-Aug Colon 7-Aug OFF 8-Aug Buehrle 9-Aug Garland 10-Aug Loaiza 11-Aug UD 12-Aug Colon 13-Aug Buehrle 14-Aug Garland 15-Aug Loaiza 16-Aug UD 17-Aug Colon 18-Aug Buehrle 19-Aug Garland 20-Aug Loaiza 21-Aug UD 22-Aug Colon 23-Aug Buehrle 24-Aug Garland 25-Aug OFF 26-Aug Loaiza 27-Aug Colon 28-Aug Buehrle 29-Aug Garland 30-Aug UD 31-Aug Loaiza SEPTEMBER 1-SEP OFF 2-SEP Colon 3-SEP Buehrle 4-SEP OFF 5-SEP Garland 6-SEP Loaiza 7-SEP Colon 8-SEP Buehrle 9-SEP UD 10-SEP Garland 11-SEP Loaiza 12-SEP Colon 13-SEP Buehrle 14-SEP UD 15-SEP OFF 16-SEP Garland 17-SEP Loaiza 18-SEP Colon 19-SEP Buehrle 20-SEP UD 21-SEP Garland 22-SEP Loaiza 23-SEP Colon 24-SEP Buehrle 25-SEP UD 26-SEP Garland 27-SEP Loaiza 28-SEP Colon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Thanks Molto for saving me the time of figuring that out, hopefully Colon won't need to pitch on the 28th so they can save him for game 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Yes we need a fifth starter. But not someone like Ponson. We just need an inning eater like Jarvis that will come very cheap. Our starting four guys are rock solid, and we wont pitch the fifth guy in the playoffs. Theres absolutely no need to give up good prospects for a guy that will pitch 5 or so more games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Thanks Molto for saving me the time of figuring that out, hopefully Colon won't need to pitch on the 28th so they can save him for game 1. So why is it when the Sox say they will only need a 5th starter 5 times, you guys know better?? Do I have do go game by game and show you how this works?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 So why is it when the Sox say they will only need a 5th starter 5 times, you guys know better?? Do I have do go game by game and show you how this works?? No, Molto just saved me the time of going game by game and showing YOU!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 only way Sox use a fifth man five times is if their starters go on three days rest here and there. also, once during this stretch their four man guys will be going on five days rest because of two days off in a five day period. no way to avoid that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 only way Sox use a fifth man five times is if their starters go on three days rest here and there. also, once during this stretch their four man guys will be going on five days rest because of two days off in a five day period. no way to avoid that. You don't think down the stretch if it is close they will use a couple of guys on 3 days rest once or twice? Hell yeah, they will. Especially with the off days. I can see possibly 6 times needing a 5th starter depending on how they want to play it. But if they are in a race, they are going to throw their best guys out there. Hence the reason this whole argument started is that the Sox were the ones that were quoted that they would only use the 5th starter that many times. If the Sox build a lead, then sure, you let the 5th guy go more often. But if it stays close to the wire, look for them to run their big guns out there more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 the two times you will need to put a guy on three days rest will be against the royals as the other series' the fifth man will be going up against weaker teams. against the royals, if we were to move a guy on three days rest, it would be Jon Garland. do we want Garland going on three days rest back to back starts? we'd have to reconfigure the rotation in the early part of September for that. if that were the case, Loaiza and Garland would have to be switched like I have it here. AUG OPP PROJ SP 1-Aug at SEA Colon 2-Aug at SEA UD 3-Aug at SEA Buehrle 4-Aug vs KC Garland 5-Aug vs KC Loaiza 6-Aug vs KC Colon 7-Aug OFF OFF 8-Aug vs OAK Buehrle 9-Aug vs OAK Garland 10-Aug vs OAK Loaiza 11-Aug at ANH UD 12-Aug at ANH Colon 13-Aug at ANH Buehrle 14-Aug at ANH Garland 15-Aug at TEX Loaiza 16-Aug at TEX UD 17-Aug at TEX Colon 18-Aug vs ANH Buehrle 19-Aug vs ANH Garland 20-Aug vs ANH Loaiza 21-Aug vs TEX UD 22-Aug vs TEX Colon 23-Aug vs TEX Buehrle 24-Aug vs TEX Garland 25-Aug OFF OFF 26-Aug at NYY Loaiza 27-Aug at NYY Colon 28-Aug at NYY Buehrle 29-Aug at DET Garland 30-Aug at DET UD 31-Aug at DET Loaiza SEP 1-Sep OFF OFF 2-Sep vs BOS Colon 3-Sep vs BOS Buehrle 4-Sep OFF OFF 5-Sep vs CLE Loaiza 6-Sep vs CLE Garland 7-Sep vs CLE UD 8-Sep vs MIN Colon 9-Sep vs MIN Buehrle 10-Sep vs MIN Loaiza 11-Sep vs MIN Garland 12-Sep at BOS Colon 13-Sep at BOS Buehrle 14-Sep at BOS UD 15-Sep OFF OFF 16-Sep at MIN Loaiza 17-Sep at MIN Garland 18-Sep at MIN Colon 19-Sep vs KC Buehrle 20-Sep vs KC UD 21-Sep vs KC Loaiza 22-Sep vs NYY Garland 23-Sep vs NYY Colon 24-Sep vs NYY Buehrle 25-Sep at KC UD 26-Sep at KC Loaiza 27-Sep at KC Garland 28-Sep at KC Colon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 point is, putting men on three days rest is fine, once in a while. under the sox plan, they will have a couple guys on three days rest in the last week. would be very hard to do. outside of that, the fifth man will be facing teams like the Rangers, Angels, Tigers and Indians. if we can't find a way to beat teams like that down the stretch no matter who is pitching, we wouldn't deserve to make it to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 We're gonna need another reliver with the way Jerry's gonna handle it. ANOTHER LEFTY?????? JM will make more moves then he did before and this bullpen will be run down AGAIN. I personally dont think we need a 5th starter. I'm all for the 4 man rotation. The 5th starter waters down baseball IMO. And i think starters get too much rest now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 And i think starters get too much rest now. yeah, they should all be a brawny he-man like you! quip aside, I agree with you that we do not need a 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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