Make a deal with Angels?

[elrockinMT]

How is Viciedo defensively at 1B? I think people really underestimate the amount of errors Konerko has saved White Sox infielders the past couple of seasons. If Konerko leaves and the White Sox have a guy who really can't pick it at 1B, they will definitely need a new 3B and probably SS if Alexei can't get his head out of his ass.

 

 

In yesterday's game vrs TB we saw Konerko display a real good glove and heard praise from Harrelson who sees PK everyday in the fied and at the plate, I agree with your assessment

[elrockinMT]

speaking of devaluing your own

 

 

We do see this quite often and it's unfortunate

[elrockinMT]

This speculation seems to be going around:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/05/how-...ce-morales.html

 

 

YUes, you are right the rumor has been floated. I would bet we have heard the PK rumor for several years every year. I heard it Saturday on ESPN BBTN, but several names pop up. Why not add J Dye to the list?

[southsideirish71]

YUes, you are right the rumor has been floated. I would bet we have heard the PK rumor for several years every year. I heard it Saturday on ESPN BBTN, but several names pop up. Why not add J Dye to the list?

 

Well Dye is not a first baseman, and he hasn't played competitive baseball since late September. How long will it take him to get into baseball shape, and how long will it take before he can hit MLB pitching. These guys don't have a switch they just flip on. They need to prepare and get ABs. It would be about a month minimum before Dye could start facing major league pitching.

 

Or they could get a guy second in the league with 14 homers for a team starving for power.

 

Moreno would choose Konerko over Dye.

Edited May 31, 2010 by southsideirish71

[Vance Law]

I like Konerko and all but given all of the current puzzle pieces I don't expect he'll be back/ don't want him back at the expense of what would make for a better team.

 

We need left-handed power. What we need is left handed-power. Prospects most likely to join the team shortly are Flowers and Viciedo (yikes, though, just 5 walks in 48 games). Kenny's #1 priority during this season and/or the offseason should be trying to acquire someone like Gonzalez or Berkman or someone else. We don't have a whole lot of salary coming off the books and if there's room for just one (relatively) big signing, it needs to be a serious lefty bat.

 

 

[WCSox]

I like Konerko and all but given all of the current puzzle pieces I don't expect he'll be back/ don't want him back at the expense of what would make for a better team.

 

We need left-handed power. What we need is left handed-power. Prospects most likely to join the team shortly are Flowers and Viciedo (yikes, though, just 5 walks in 48 games). Kenny's #1 priority during this season and/or the offseason should be trying to acquire someone like Gonzalez or Berkman or someone else. We don't have a whole lot of salary coming off the books and if there's room for just one (relatively) big signing, it needs to be a serious lefty bat.

 

If there isn't any salary room for "one (relatively) big signing," why in the heck would Kenny go after Gonzalez? Somebody like PK or Berkman would make a lot more sense.

 

[Lillian]

We need left-handed power. What we need is left handed-power. Prospects most likely to join the team shortly are Flowers and Viciedo (yikes, though, just 5 walks in 48 games). Kenny's #1 priority during this season and/or the offseason should be trying to acquire someone like Gonzalez or Berkman or someone else. We don't have a whole lot of salary coming off the books and if there's room for just one (relatively) big signing, it needs to be a serious lefty bat.

 

My sentiments exactly. I've been stressing the need for a left handed bat in most of my posts.

I'm sure that K.W. is thinking the same thing. The most likely place for that LH bat to play is 1st base. That's why Konerko will not be brought back. Moreover, that's why K.W. should exploit this opportunity to trade him to the Angels.

 

If the Angels don't have a good left handed prospect, then fill another hole, and spend the money on a free agent acquisition in the off season.

[greg775]

My comment about Viciedo being lazy was meant as sarcasm. I thought in spring trianing Kenny and Oz got mad at him for not running out routine grounders, etc.

I could have sworn I read that and they called him out in the media.

GO HAWKS!

[elrockinMT]

Where did this "Konerko will leave this off season" vibe come from?

 

 

That is a very good question. I have not picked that up from Konerko or Sox management

[MattZakrowski]

How long will it take him to get into baseball shape

 

 

[fathom]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-sp...,6951321.column

 

Cubs might be talking with the Angels about trading Lee to them.

[hawksox13]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-sp...,6951321.column

 

Cubs might be talking with the Angels about trading Lee to them.

 

It now appears that it's Xavier Nady that the Angels are looking at. Kenny needs to wake up and start dealing before teams start to fill needs and the Sox current players somehow become even less valuable than they've already become. Konerko's number one most likely landing spot appears to be the Angels.

 

Kenny needs to step it up, admit failure and get what he can for some of these guys. Say goodbye and thank you to A.J., Paulie, Andruw Jones, J.J. Putz, and Jenks if possible. Don't be stubborn, don't sign some other old 3B and give up prospects when they literally will be zero help (Lowell). It's time to start dumping players, picking up prospects, saving money that can be spent this offseason, and correcing this mess we call 2010. Wake up Kenny, it's over!!!

[Balta1701]

It now appears that it's Xavier Nady that the Angels are looking at. Kenny needs to wake up and start dealing before teams start to fill needs and the Sox current players somehow become even less valuable than they've already become. Konerko's number one most likely landing spot appears to be the Angels.

 

Kenny needs to step it up, admit failure and get what he can for some of these guys. Say goodbye and thank you to A.J., Paulie, Andruw Jones, J.J. Putz, and Jenks if possible. Don't be stubborn, don't sign some other old 3B and give up prospects when they literally will be zero help (Lowell). It's time to start dumping players, picking up prospects, saving money that can be spent this offseason, and correcing this mess we call 2010. Wake up Kenny, it's over!!!

Really, the only way that there is going to be a non-trivial decrease in the value of those guys is if they get hurt. It doesn't make sense to deal Jones right now especially, since any team getting him will want to know he can pull out of his slump.

[hawksox13]

Really, the only way that there is going to be a non-trivial decrease in the value of those guys is if they get hurt. It doesn't make sense to deal Jones right now especially, since any team getting him will want to know he can pull out of his slump.

 

Most of these guys are going to be rental players for whatever team acquires them, so getting Konerko in early June may be a much more attractive option to a team then getting him on July 31st. That's nearly two more months of value. And for a team like the Angels that have a huge hole to plug, dealing Konerko now could really maximize his value. I'm sure Kenny has at least put out feelers to see what the Angels may be willing to offer for Konerko.

 

The biggest mistake Kenny could make would be to hold onto all these guys or even go out and try to acquire another player to try and make a run at anything this year. He needs to make some deals and start preparing for 2011. That's his job. If he's too stubborn to admit his failures of this past off season and start to correct them the Sox need to bring in someone else to do the job.

[Balta1701]

Most of these guys are going to be rental players for whatever team acquires them, so getting Konerko in early June may be a much more attractive option to a team then getting him on July 31st. That's nearly two more months of value. And for a team like the Angels that have a huge hole to plug, dealing Konerko now could really maximize his value. I'm sure Kenny has at least put out feelers to see what the Angels may be willing to offer for Konerko.

 

The biggest mistake Kenny could make would be to hold onto all these guys or even go out and try to acquire another player to try and make a run at anything this year. He needs to make some deals and start preparing for 2011. That's his job. If he's too stubborn to admit his failures of this past off season and start to correct them the Sox need to bring in someone else to do the job.

If someone offers you a really solid price right now, for almost any of those guys...yeah, you do it, but KW does have a bit of luxury in terms of being able to wait on moving anyone other than AJ to see how the market develops.

[hawksox13]

If someone offers you a really solid price right now, for almost any of those guys...yeah, you do it, but KW does have a bit of luxury in terms of being able to wait on moving anyone other than AJ to see how the market develops.

 

Has A.J. said that he will decline trades to other teams? I know a lot of people are caught up on his 10/5 rights, but it seems to me that if a contender came calling he would welcome the opportunity to go out and try to win another championship. He doesn't seem to take well to losing. I may have missed something, but I just don't see that being a stumbling block in moving A.J. If the 10/5 rights need to be worried about for anyone, it's Buehrle. If his kick in doesn't he get a raise if he's traded and the extra year made mandatory? Or is that how his contract is already set up?

[Balta1701]

Has A.J. said that he will decline trades to other teams? I know a lot of people are caught up on his 10/5 rights, but it seems to me that if a contender came calling he would welcome the opportunity to go out and try to win another championship. He doesn't seem to take well to losing. I may have missed something, but I just don't see that being a stumbling block in moving A.J. If the 10/5 rights need to be worried about for anyone, it's Buehrle. If his kick in doesn't he get a raise if he's traded and the extra year made mandatory? Or is that how his contract is already set up?

Yes, Buehrle's contract becomes much more onerous if he's traded.

 

AJ hasn't flat out said "I'll block any trade" but he's given strong indications that he doesn't want to be dealt a few times this season. The Sun Times had this quote back early in the year, but the link for them isnt' working any more.

‘‘Everyone knows my situation," said Pierzynski before Tuesday night's game. "I’m a free agent at the end of the year. But I also know this, if it gets to about June then they can’t trade me, so they’re going to have to make a decision here pretty quick.

 

"I want to be in a place where I can win, but I would love to stay in Chicago. Up until then I have no say so in the matter, but if they find a move that they think is right and they think it will help the organization, there’s nothing I can do. I’ll go to a new team and be happy there, so ... I hope it works out here. This is my first choice.’’

[hawksox13]

Yes, Buehrle's contract becomes much more onerous if he's traded.

 

AJ hasn't flat out said "I'll block any trade" but he's given strong indications that he doesn't want to be dealt a few times this season. The Sun Times had this quote back early in the year, but the link for them isnt' working any more.

 

That's awesome that you can just remember that stuff and find the links and quotes so quickly. You're good! If you read right below what you bolded it says that he wants to be in a place where he can win. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out with him. Hopefully he'll do what's right and accept a trade if it's to a contender, even if it's after his 10/5 rights have kicked in.

[WCSox]

Has A.J. said that he will decline trades to other teams? I know a lot of people are caught up on his 10/5 rights, but it seems to me that if a contender came calling he would welcome the opportunity to go out and try to win another championship. He doesn't seem to take well to losing. I may have missed something, but I just don't see that being a stumbling block in moving A.J.

 

I'm not sure that AJ would be super-excited about leaving Chicago, nor am I sure that other managers are falling over themselves to pick up his baggage. He's no Milton Bradley, but he does rub a lot of people the wrong way. He's also not hitting this year.

 

If the 10/5 rights need to be worried about for anyone, it's Buehrle. If his kick in doesn't he get a raise if he's traded and the extra year made mandatory? Or is that how his contract is already set up?

 

The option year on his contract kicks in (with a modest raise) if he's dealt. Some teams may see that as a negative, and some may view it as a positive. Mark has a limited NTC, but I'm not sure if his 10/5 rights kick in this season. The market for Mark is going to be limited, so we're not going to get a ton in return via a bidding war (especially if Mark continues to pitch like a #3). The main motive for dealing Mark would be salary relief.

 

[hawksox13]

I'm not sure that AJ would be super-excited about leaving Chicago, nor am I sure that other managers are falling over themselves to pick up his baggage. He's no Milton Bradley, but he does rub a lot of people the wrong way. He's also not hitting this year.

 

 

 

The option year on his contract kicks in (with a modest raise) if he's dealt. Some teams may see that as a negative, and some may view it as a positive. Mark has a limited NTC, but I'm not sure if his 10/5 rights kick in this season. The market for Mark is going to be limited, so we're not going to get a ton in return via a bidding war (especially if Mark continues to pitch like a #3). The main motive for dealing Mark would be salary relief.

 

I disagree. I think there will be a contending NL team that would give a nice return for Mark Buehrle. It would be nice if he started to pitch like the Mark Buehrle that we all know and love, but I think he would bring in a nice return. The fact that he isn't just a rental increases his value greatly.

[daggins]

The fact that he would be paid 15 million and is pitching poorly, however, lowers his trade value a lot.

Edited June 3, 2010 by daggins

[WCSox]

I disagree. I think there will be a contending NL team that would give a nice return for Mark Buehrle. It would be nice if he started to pitch like the Mark Buehrle that we all know and love, but I think he would bring in a nice return. The fact that he isn't just a rental increases his value greatly.

 

Maybe, but his limited NTC and 10/5 rights (next year?) could severely limit the number of teams in the running. Let's say that the Dodgers, Mets, and Braves all offer really nice packages of prospects for Mark, but Mark rejects trades to those teams. Then a team like the Cardinals (who already know that Mark will accept a trade there) can step in and offer a lot less for him.

 

[Balta1701]

Maybe, but his limited NTC and 10/5 rights (next year?) could severely limit the number of teams in the running. Let's say that the Dodgers, Mets, and Braves all offer really nice packages of prospects for Mark, but Mark rejects trades to those teams. Then a team like the Cardinals (who already know that Mark will accept a trade there) can step in and offer a lot less for him.

You don't have to trade him if another team won't meet your price.

[iamshack]

Maybe, but his limited NTC and 10/5 rights (next year?) could severely limit the number of teams in the running. Let's say that the Dodgers, Mets, and Braves all offer really nice packages of prospects for Mark, but Mark rejects trades to those teams. Then a team like the Cardinals (who already know that Mark will accept a trade there) can step in and offer a lot less for him.

I don't think this has happened very often since NTC's have come into vogue. A player will usually at least toe the line and keep his mouth shut and allow the team to use as many teams as possible to maximize leverage. Instead of Mark outright rejecting the offers, Kenny tells the Cardinals GM "Look, Mark would really like to come there, but the Braves and Mets are offering this..."

 

It usually seems to work itself out.

[WCSox]

I don't think this has happened very often since NTC's have come into vogue. A player will usually at least toe the line and keep his mouth shut and allow the team to use as many teams as possible to maximize leverage. Instead of Mark outright rejecting the offers, Kenny tells the Cardinals GM "Look, Mark would really like to come there, but the Braves and Mets are offering this..."

 

It usually seems to work itself out.

 

Except that Kenny doesn't have to call the Cardinals to make Mark's desire to play for them evident. Mark's been doing that through the press for years. The Cardinals know that Mark would push for them pretty hard, and thus have less incentive to match offers from theoretical other teams.