TitoMB345 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) I second this notion. Tito, what on earth is wrong with you? Ha, okay. I still think it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 08:23 PM) You and Fathom are just parroting the exact conversation Stone and Hawk had last night. We've been saying this for 2 months now. I watch a ton of games on the MLB Package, and nearly every other team gives their power hitters the 3-0 green light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) Why, so you can draw a walk? I'd prefer a hit with the chances of an extra base hit. You're the last guy I'd expect to be arguing that OBP is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) Why, so you can draw a walk? I'd prefer a hit with the chances of an extra base hit. I agree. But I also think it depends on who is up at the plate. I'd give Albert Pujols the 3-0 green light 100% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Sweet, good job Carlos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 6, 2010 Author Share Posted June 6, 2010 Again, Konerko grounding out to SS with Rios at 2b and 0 outs. WHY CAN'T YOU APPROACH THE AT BAT WITH A PURPOSE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 It is amazing that Carlos is still on pace for about 100 rbis with the way that he has hit so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 02:23 PM) I don't give a damn who the player is. You take on 3-0 EVERY SINGLE TIME. If you are hitting in general I agree the Sox are not and then need to be aggessive. the thing is they will swing at ball four and take strike one. They swing at the first pitch often, why not then swing 3-0 it is the same philsophy either you work a count or you do not. How often do you see them take first pitch strike then swing at a ball on the second pitch. They have terrible pitch recognition as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 (edited) Mark Kotsay is hitting .190 on the season. On June 6th, he is batting 5th and is the DH. I think from that information alone you would know the White Sox are having a terrible season. You wouldn't have to know Peavy's or Buehrle's or Floyd's ERA or Beckham's average or how many errors Teahen had. Edited June 6, 2010 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 08:25 PM) You're the last guy I'd expect to be arguing that OBP is a bad thing. For your power hitters, and especially our team with such a weak top/bottom of the order, I'd rather see guys swinging from their heels in that position. All you're doing if you walk in front of AJP or Kotsay is setting up the 4-6-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 6, 2010 Author Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 02:24 PM) We've been saying this for 2 months now. I watch a ton of games on the MLB Package, and nearly every other team gives their power hitters the 3-0 green light. So do I, and you're full of s***, Fathom. It's a leaguewide trend, just like so many other things in baseball are. Soon enough, hitters will start swinging 3-0 again, when it becomes apparent that pitchers are laying it in there on 3-0/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 02:23 PM) You and Fathom are just parroting the exact conversation Stone and Hawk had last night. If you went to my original post, it was about Hawk being upset Ozzie doesn't give a 3-0 green light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 08:27 PM) So do I, and you're full of s***, Fathom. It's a leaguewide trend, just like so many other things in baseball are. Soon enough, hitters will start swinging 3-0 again, when it becomes apparent that pitchers are laying it in there on 3-0/ Kalapse has to have a stat about this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 03:26 PM) For your power hitters, and especially our team with such a weak top/bottom of the order, I'd rather see guys swinging from their heels in that position. All you're doing if you walk in front of AJP or Kotsay is setting up the 4-6-3. This. No point in walking when we're just going to follow it up with a GIDP. If I were the other team, I'd just walk Rios every at bat... I bet he'd score less than 25% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Some guys won't hit 3-0 even if you let them, but you should give some the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 You what is sad....how competitive the Sox were against the Jays, Rays, and Twins...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 If you're Juan Pierre or Vizquel or Beckham (this year), etc. then you bet your ass you should be taking 3-0. The thing is, the opposition knows our hitters won't swing, so they just throw meatballs on the 3-0 pitch. Next thing you know, it's 3-1 pitch and our hitters are grounding out weakly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 If Konerko came to bat with 2 out in an inning and had a 3-0 count, some on here would rather have him take and hope for a walk where it may take 3 consecutive hits for him to score, then to look for something in his sweet spot and hack away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) Kalapse has to have a stat about this!! This season in the MLB, there have been 660 at-bats that ended at a 3-0 count. There have been only 36 that turned into at-bats with either a hit or an out recorded. The rest have either been walks or moved on to 3-1 counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Terrible footwork at 1B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Heh, either he missed the bag or he stepped on Penas foot. Either way he should have been out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 03:32 PM) If Konerko came to bat with 2 out in an inning and had a 3-0 count, some on here would rather have him take and hope for a walk where it may take 3 consecutive hits for him to score, then to look for something in his sweet spot and hack away? I'd rather have him take the walk. Even in a good year, the odds of him hitting a HR on 1 swing are only a couple percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 07:34 PM) Heh, either he missed the bag or he stepped on Penas foot. Either way he should have been out. Worst call of the week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 03:04 PM) No kidding, while leaving nothing on last night!! That's Gary Bettman for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Good for Hawk. If this results in runs he can blame the umpire. The conspiracy the umpires have against the Sox continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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