chw42 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I never knew Strasburg had trouble going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 06:02 PM) AGREED! He has some of the best pure stuff ever. But right now Jimenez is putting up the single greatest season in baseball history (from a pitching perspective, imo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) He has some of the best pure stuff ever. But right now Jimenez is putting up the single greatest season in baseball history (from a pitching perspective, imo). After watching the last game, I'm still not crazy about his mechanics. It will be interesting to see how his shoulder holds up over the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) He has some of the best pure stuff ever. But right now Jimenez is putting up the single greatest season in baseball history (from a pitching perspective, imo). If he keeps this up all season, it will be. Pedro Martinez in 2000 is still absolutely incredible though. What makes Jimenez more impressive is that he's doing what he is in Colorado. He's amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:44 PM) If he keeps this up all season, it will be. Pedro Martinez in 2000 is still absolutely incredible though. What makes Jimenez more impressive is that he's doing what he is in Colorado. He's amazing. Pedro did his thing at the peak of the steroid era. Pedro's '98-2000 > Ubaldo's '10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 07:55 PM) Pedro did his thing at the peak of the steroid era. Pedro's '98-2000 > Ubaldo's '10 He put up 12 WAR that year (1999) and had a FIP of 1.39, about .7 runs lower than his ERA. There's no way in hell Ubaldo puts those numbers up. What's funny is that Pedro wasn't all that lucky that year (.343 BABIP) and he still owned. He also posted a WAR of 10 in the year where he posted a 1.74 ERA. Edited June 16, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 07:55 PM) Pedro did his thing at the peak of the steroid era. Pedro's '98-2000 > Ubaldo's '10 Many people think he was benefitting from taking them as well. that is why he had the great years in the "steriod era." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 09:27 PM) Many people think he was benefitting from taking them as well. that is why he had the great years in the "steriod era." Who? Yankee fans? I don't recall anything of any substance that's ever linked Pedro to steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 09:30 PM) Who? Yankee fans? I don't recall anything of any substance that's ever linked Pedro to steroids. There were rumors going around, nothing ever substantiated. Mostly, in house, similar to the Clemens ones at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 09:30 PM) Who? Yankee fans? I don't recall anything of any substance that's ever linked Pedro to steroids. I heard them, and I lived in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Mike Stanton with a grand slam in the first inning tonight for his first big league home run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 10:44 PM) There were rumors going around, nothing ever substantiated. Mostly, in house, similar to the Clemens ones at the time. The reality is...there are zero amazing performances between 1985 and 2005 that aren't going to get people suspicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) Pedro did his thing at the peak of the steroid era. Pedro's '98-2000 > Ubaldo's '10 Ubaldo is also in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2010 -> 11:11 PM) The reality is...there are zero amazing performances between 1985 and 2005 that aren't going to get people suspicious. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...atting_standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 03:00 PM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...atting_standard And whether we like it or not, there are people who say things about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 02:03 PM) And whether we like it or not, there are people who say things about him. Most that have any baseball IQ at all dont say anything about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Considering he testified in Congress (via teleconference) and was the only active player to willingly participate in the Mitchell Report, I'd have to agree that anybody who questions Thomas is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2010 -> 11:11 PM) The reality is...there are zero amazing performances between 1985 and 2005 that aren't going to get people suspicious. I was listening to B&B the other day and they quickly exonerated all pitchers from being on steroids because "steroids only help you with trying to mash the ball." Not true at all. Those substances helped many pitchers in that era not only recover quickly from outings, but slow the breakdown of their shoulders over the tail end of their careers. Those guys were going out every 5th day feeling much fresher than a natural player would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 11:13 PM) I was listening to B&B the other day and they quickly exonerated all pitchers from being on steroids because "steroids only help you with trying to mash the ball." Not true at all. Those substances helped many pitchers in that era not only recover quickly from outings, but slow the breakdown of their shoulders over the tail end of their careers. Those guys were going out every 5th day feeling much fresher than a natural player would. Yep, HGH/steroids significantly helps your recovery time. It's a lot easier to tell with closers who were able to pitch in the upper 90s every outing as opposed to only reaching their max velocity once a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 05:13 PM) I was listening to B&B the other day and they quickly exonerated all pitchers from being on steroids because "steroids only help you with trying to mash the ball." Not true at all. Those substances helped many pitchers in that era not only recover quickly from outings, but slow the breakdown of their shoulders over the tail end of their careers. Those guys were going out every 5th day feeling much fresher than a natural player would. The largest group of abusers were relief pitchers for this exact reason. They don't slow down the breakdown of tissue though. It will increase the ability to workout but will damage other tissue due to this abnormal increase in strength ratio. McGwires constant tendonitis and plantar fasciitis were prime examples. Don't listen to everything B&B say. They are entertaining but not usually factual. I've e-mailed Bernstein a few times and if you disagree with his point he'll send a snide remark and ignore you. He always sticks to his high horse performance to put people down. He is fairly knowledable but only listens when it's agrees with his views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 05:30 PM) The largest group of abusers were relief pitchers for this exact reason. They don't slow down the breakdown of tissue though. It will increase the ability to workout but will damage other tissue due to this abnormal increase in strength ratio. McGwires constant tendonitis and plantar fasciitis were prime examples. Don't listen to everything B&B say. They are entertaining but not usually factual. I've e-mailed Bernstein a few times and if you disagree with his point he'll send a snide remark and ignore you. He always sticks to his high horse performance to put people down. He is fairly knowledable but only listens when it's agrees with his views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 07:28 PM) We have had an awful rash of that in Chicago sports lately haven't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 08:33 AM) We have had an awful rash of that in Chicago sports lately haven't we? If you see constant soft tissue problems in multiple areas, it does make you wonder about the etiology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I knew that J. Noah was a steroid user! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 Merry Strasmas it's the holiday that comes once every 5 days. My Strasburg player tee was finally delivered to me yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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