bmags Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 The toughest possible response is always best. This is why Sheriff Joe Arpaio has seen a rise in crime in his areas while the rest of arizona saw a decline. Shoot to kill along the border. Only good will result when they say we mean business!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 04:30 PM) The toughest possible response is always best. This is why Sheriff Joe Arpaio has seen a rise in crime in his areas while the rest of arizona saw a decline. Shoot to kill along the border. Only good will result when they say we mean business!!!! HAHA. You rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 01:43 PM) Baseball sized rocks are heavy. Whip a few of those and you're going for Tommy John. Getting hit in the head with a river rock thrown with enough force can do some damage. Take a rock with the equivalent mass of a baseball and get it going 60+ MPH, and it's not going to be good for your cranium. This still sounds like an over reaction, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 It depends what protection the cops are wearing. A rock could kill a cop if he's just wearing a patrol uniform so at least threatening deadly force should be necessary then. If he's in riot gear and it's a large riot, no. Tear gas and beanbags only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 03:47 PM) How does riot gear "suffice"? These guys were on foot or bike patrol. They don't carry riot gear around with them. That's not a real option. Besides, would you want to walk around on patrol around El Paso in the summer wearing full tactical gear? Half of them would die of heat exhaustion. The ballistic vests they are probably wearing are bad enough. But its a dry heat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 seriously, how far can a grade school kid throw a rock? 60 yards? Just back the fu*k up. So if a cop is driving down the street in Chicago and some kid throws a rock at him, he can pull out his gun and start shooting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 In Chicago? I wonder why the cop let the kid pick up the rock before he started shooting. This is Daley's town afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 11:04 PM) In Chicago? I wonder why the cop let the kid pick up the rock before he started shooting. This is Daley's town afterall. Only if they're hippies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 9, 2010 -> 03:47 PM) Besides, would you want to walk around on patrol around El Paso in the summer wearing full tactical gear? Half of them would die of heat exhaustion. The ballistic vests they are probably wearing are bad enough. i cant imagine its much different from wearing full tactical gear, full combat load, and any other random crap someone makes you carry on patrol in Iraq. If a guy from Chicago can get his body trained to get used to it in 120+ degree weather, im sure border patrol officers can too. Im just sayin... Its not IMPOSSIBLE, thats all.. Edited June 10, 2010 by flippedoutpunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 04:04 AM) In Chicago? I wonder why the cop let the kid pick up the rock before he started shooting. This is Daley's town afterall. yes. Chicago is so corrupt. I can't imagine the celebrations in chicago if our city board decided a shoot-to-kill on mexicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 01:54 AM) yes. Chicago is so corrupt. I can't imagine the celebrations in chicago if our city board decided a shoot-to-kill on mexicans. Celebrations? Nice kap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Cell phone video of shooting surfaces A video obtained by CNN raises questions about a U.S. Border Patrol agent's claim that he fatally shot a 14-year-old boy in Ciudad Juarez while he was surrounded by rock-throwing suspected illegal immigrants. CNN obtained the video, which was shot by a witness on a cell phone camera from the Mexican side of the border, from affiliate Univision. The video aired on its program Primer Impacto late Wednesday. The video shows part of the build-up before the incident, with several individuals running underneath the Puente Negro, a railroad span that connects the two countries. Monday night's incident started around 6:30 p.m. when Customs and Border Protection agents responded to a report of a group of suspected illegal immigrants being smuggled into the United States near the Paso del Norte port of entry, FBI special agent Andrea Simmons said. In the distance, a U.S. border patrol officer on his bicycle can be seen making his way toward the area. Seconds later, the officer can be seen getting off his bicycle and approaching two of the four suspected Mexican nationals who had just crossed through an opening in the fence. One of the suspects is detained by the officer, but never handcuffed, and instead dragged a short distance. This happened on the U.S. side of the border. Moments later, the officer points, what appears to be his firearm in the direction of a second suspect, standing about 60 feet away from the officer -- on the Mexican side of the border. The video shows the suspect running away. Seconds later, two gunshots can be heard on the video. A third gunshot is heard in a different sequence of the tape. After the shooting, another suspect is seen running in the upper left hand side of screen away from the incident. "They're throwing rocks," witnesses screaming in Spanish can be heard in the background of the video as the officer opens fire. "They hit him ... they hit him." The video contradicts Simmons' account who said: "This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat. However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died." The victim, 14-year-old Sergio Adrian Hernandez Guereca, was a secondary student in Juarez. The guy shot a 14 year old who was 60 feet away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 10:19 AM) Cell phone video of shooting surfaces The guy shot a 14 year old who was 60 feet away. That video doesn't really do much for me. You can't see what those kids are doing. The cop is totally exposed in the open when he grabs the one kid. When he "drags" him it looks to me like he's ducking, so he could have been getting hit by rocks at that point from the group of kids under the bridge. And then the video goes out. Also, what excellent journalism in claiming that the video differs from the what the officer said. At best, the video is inconclusive since it goes to crap during the key moment of the incident (edited?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Odd to see so many defending the killing of a 14 year old kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 there's a lot of hatred towards immigrants. always has been. Irish Italian Asian Cultures Right now, the target is on the Hispanic and Middle Eastern ones. Wonder who we'll hate in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 04:00 PM) Also, what excellent journalism in claiming that the video differs from the what the officer said. At best, the video is inconclusive since it goes to crap during the key moment of the incident (edited?). It does differ. He was not "surrounded" in any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 11:05 AM) Odd to see so many defending the killing of a 14 year old kid. I consider people innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. This video doesn't help either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 You don't need the law to decide is something is morally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 11:05 AM) Odd to see so many defending the killing of a 14 year old kid. Its easy to sit in an ivory tower and take pot shots at the people doing the protecting of this country. Most of us don't have the stones to do what they do, and have no idea what they face or deal with on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 11:24 AM) It does differ. He was not "surrounded" in any sense. I disagree and I don't think he meant surrounded so literally. Even from 50 yards away, the guy is totally exposed out in the open and allegedly is getting pelted by rocks. He's got no where to go. I don't think he meant that they were rushing at him from all sides. That doesn't gel with the fact that the kid was 50 feet away when he got shot. Again, the dude might have done something horrible. But i'll wait until an investigation is complete before I charge the guy based on a crappy cell phone video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 12:31 PM) Its easy to sit in an ivory tower and take pot shots at the people doing the protecting of this country. Most of us don't have the stones to do what they do, and have no idea what they face or deal with on a daily basis. A friend of mine does border patrol work in New Mexico. They put up with a lot of s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 11:42 AM) A friend of mine does border patrol work in New Mexico. They put up with a lot of s***. Where in NM? If he's in the Bootheel area, I may have run into him. I've talked with a few of those guys down there, when we hiked that segment of the Continental Divide Trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 02:00 PM) Where in NM? If he's in the Bootheel area, I may have run into him. I've talked with a few of those guys down there, when we hiked that segment of the Continental Divide Trail. Not sure exactly, havent talked to him since he was home a few months ago. Obviously it's in the southwest of the state. He was just transferred there a few months ago. He was in Yuma, Arizona before that so when I visited another friend of ours in Lake Havasu last year he was able to come up for a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 04:31 PM) Its easy to sit in an ivory tower and take pot shots at the people doing the protecting of this country. Most of us don't have the stones to do what they do, and have no idea what they face or deal with on a daily basis. well, apparently we do have the stones, they just have the guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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