Dick Allen Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxt @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 06:58 AM) Like he had nothing to do woth this mess. If KW leaves, I am going to be happy! The problem with KW leaving, and I wouldn't shed a tear, is Ozzie is going to be even more powerful and his ego will grow tremendously. I have never heard of a manager basically forcing the GM out. This is a slippery slope. I think the first order of business however is to get Oney off of Twitter. The supposed "secrets" that he was spilling like the front office calling Winston Salem ordering KW Jr. in the line up, shouldn't be out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 12:27 AM) I really am getting sick of the f***ing Guillens and their self entitlement. I would rather have Hahn as the long term GM. But having Guillen with more power than KW is like having a crack addict in charge of the collection plate. yeah IMO this year especially is on Ozzie. I mean maybe KW is to blame for actually listening to ozzie and giving him the team he wanted, but it seems like this was ozzies team from the get go. Ozzie and Hahn IMO would be even worse than Ozzie and KW. Alot of what Ozney was critical about during spring training was all those stat nerds who "never played"...I'm fairly sure all the guillens have this antiquated vision of how a club should be run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Right now I'm thinking that both have to go. I like KW, and would rather see Ozzie go, but this whole situation between them is out of control. Unless KW is given the green light to fire him, I see KW resigning. That would piss me off if that happened and Ozzie was still here. So, I think the best option to rid of boith of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Oney has suddenly announced he will not tweet anything good or bad about the White Sox, and threw in the kicker that all previous tweets were true. I'm now 100% certain what KW and OG were arguing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 08:04 AM) There's nothing wrong with Kotsay being on this team, in and of itself, he's proven that he's a good pinch hitter/bench player. The problem is that he's much more than that on this team and obviously not very good at what he is here. If we look at the stats, the problem isn't Kotsay at all any more. Unless you think the problem is that Kotsay can't pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 08:27 AM) Oney has suddenly announced he will not tweet anything good or bad about the White Sox, and threw in the kicker that all previous tweets were true. I'm now 100% certain what KW and OG were arguing about. Yeah, this is probably a correct linkage between events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Where there's smoke there's all sorts of fire. The Guillen Family appears to be having a fallout with Kenny Williams, i'm not sure yet if they've had any sort of drama with Jerry Reinsdorf. That is why this thing is yet to come to a head. And that is why the recent Jerry interview where he brought up Oney was very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 The premiere was pushed back to July 18. QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 01:47 AM) July 4th - The Club - MLB Network That show is sure to be interesting =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 While I wouldn't be sad to see both quit/fired, if KW goes and Ozzie stays, that would be worst case scenario. It baffles me that certain people can't see how out of control Guillen and his family have become. But hey, winning a World Series ring gives you immunity I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 09:05 AM) While I wouldn't be sad to see both quit/fired, if KW goes and Ozzie stays, that would be worst case scenario. It baffles me that certain people can't see how out of control Guillen and his family have become. But hey, winning a World Series ring gives you immunity I guess. To be totally fair...the crap surrounding Ozzie's family doesn't necessarily have to affect the performance of the team on the field. It might well be possible for someone to keep everything balanced and keep it from affecting his main job, which is the team on the field. (I don't think Ozzie can). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 01:07 PM) To be totally fair...the crap surrounding Ozzie's family doesn't necessarily have to affect the performance of the team on the field. It might well be possible for someone to keep everything balanced and keep it from affecting his main job, which is the team on the field. (I don't think Ozzie can). Well yes, if the team was playing well, then I highly doubt this would be going on. Reinsdorf should be pretty ashamed of himself if this story is true when you consider the VDN/Paxson situation as well. But just remember D. Wade, JR is not loyal at all!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I bet Kenny Williams wonders if he could have replaced J.P. Ricciardi in Torondo last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Was bound to happen sooner rather than later. The situation just simply needs to be dealt with right now. Wonder if Ozzie has his eye on the Marlins job for 2011, and will instruct Ozney to stay with South Florida going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 08:10 AM) I bet Kenny Williams wonders if he could have replaced J.P. Ricciardi in Torondo last year... I'm guessing Toronto would be the last place Kenny goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 09:36 AM) I'm guessing Toronto would be the last place Kenny goes. Yeah, with that shoulder of his... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 08:46 AM) Yeah, with that shoulder of his... Exactly. I know ownership is different, but still. I doubt Wal-Mart would hire you if you shoplifted there 10 years ago under different management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 08:56 AM) Exactly. I know ownership is different, but still. I doubt Wal-Mart would hire you if you shoplifted there 10 years ago under different management. LOL oh yeah... I forgot all about Wells for Sirotka Didn't he play for Cito Gaston up there before though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 OK, so, all this might have happened... on the other hand, if you look carefully, you will see that no solid information exists here. Cowley, who just proved the other day yet again that he makes s*** up to stir the pot, has a "source" who said they "almost came to blows". That is incredibly weak. Might be fire there, might not, but Cowley has just been outright wrong on this sort of thing so many times, that I would need to see someone, anyone, else confirm it before believing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 ok i said basically this much in the other thread - but with Ozzie getting the ultimate stamp of approval from JR to do whatever the goddamn f*** he wants, how can ANYONE put this season on KW? This isn't the team HE wanted to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 09:23 AM) ok i said basically this much in the other thread - but with Ozzie getting the ultimate stamp of approval from JR to do whatever the goddamn f*** he wants, how can ANYONE put this season on KW? This isn't the team HE wanted to build. People keep jumping to this conclusion - I'm not seeing it, and I have seen no evidence of it. I think Jerry does like Ozzie a lot, but also finds him difficult. I think he likes KW less, but knows KW is damn good at his job. I just don't see Jerry taking Ozzie's side over KW in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 To be fair, Ozzie hangs around my neighborhood all the time and is really the nicest guy in the world. He's courteous to strangers and the people he encounters on the street that even may boo him. With that said, its time for him to get out of here if he is going to react that way about business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 09:20 AM) OK, so, all this might have happened... on the other hand, if you look carefully, you will see that no solid information exists here. Cowley, who just proved the other day yet again that he makes s*** up to stir the pot, has a "source" who said they "almost came to blows". That is incredibly weak. Might be fire there, might not, but Cowley has just been outright wrong on this sort of thing so many times, that I would need to see someone, anyone, else confirm it before believing it. And can we quit saying "source". I think everyone by now knows it is Ozzie's kids who are feeding this s*** out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 Anyone else have a problem with Jerry telling Kenny to stop going on team's road trips? If indeed true, this is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 09:29 AM) Anyone else have a problem with Jerry telling Kenny to stop going on team's road trips? If indeed true, this is ridiculous. No, I don't have a problem with Jerry doing what he thinks is best for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 11, 2010 -> 08:05 AM) While I wouldn't be sad to see both quit/fired, if KW goes and Ozzie stays, that would be worst case scenario. It baffles me that certain people can't see how out of control Guillen and his family have become. But hey, winning a World Series ring gives you immunity I guess. All of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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