GoSox05 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 This is just a great idea. A new U.S. Senate bill would grant the president far-reaching emergency powers to seize control of or even shut down portions of the Internet. CNET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) This is just a great idea. CNET Well that is just a horrifically bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Way too much power to the feds. Bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Is it even possible to "take over" the Internet like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 I could throttle or control traffic like China does, I would assume. It all goes back to a single backbone, so you just take control of that. I feel like we had this conversation before. Terrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 No, it should happen. I only said this because I can't possibly agree with Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 05:16 PM) Is it even possible to "take over" the Internet like that? sure, but they would need some sort of control over internet providers, large internet companies, search engines, traffic on private systems, ect. they would need to be involved in a whole lot of stuff. Edited June 18, 2010 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 09:43 PM) sure, but they would need some sort of control over internet providers, large internet companies, search engines, traffic on private systems, ect. they would need to be involved in a whole lot of stuff. Right, so... s***can this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 On a similiar note, anyone see that 60 Minutes piece about cyberwarfare? Using the internet to gain access to various utility services? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10393170-83.html Pretty interesting. I'm wondering wtf utility companies have their equipment on global servers. Can't they set up localized networks that can't be hacked into? Perhaps Obama's proposed powers stems from fear of something like this happening (though I would think that that point it'd be too late). And how many billions would the economy lose if he did shut down the internet, even for a day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 (edited) Cyber security is the next big wave for utilities. It's coming on very fast. edit: yeah, jenks, that's exactly why something like this bill is being proposed. If you've got foreign attacks, you can shut your network off from the rest of the world. Edited June 18, 2010 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 18, 2010 Author Share Posted June 18, 2010 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 18, 2010 -> 08:34 AM) On a similiar note, anyone see that 60 Minutes piece about cyberwarfare? Using the internet to gain access to various utility services? http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10393170-83.html Pretty interesting. I'm wondering wtf utility companies have their equipment on global servers. Can't they set up localized networks that can't be hacked into? Perhaps Obama's proposed powers stems from fear of something like this happening (though I would think that that point it'd be too late). And how many billions would the economy lose if he did shut down the internet, even for a day? Hell even if he shut it down for an hour or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 And you people b**** now when soxtalk farts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 18, 2010 -> 10:14 PM) And you people b**** now when soxtalk farts. I'm all about taking control of this site away from you and giving it to Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Wow, that is quite possibly one of the dumbest ideas ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I'd better hear a hell of a lot of freedom of speech arguments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2010 -> 11:10 PM) I'm all about taking control of this site away from you and giving it to Obama. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 IIRC this was first proposed during the Clinton admin, a couple of times in various stages during Bush. How important is the internet in the event of an attack by the enemy (whomever that may be) and who best to fight the attack? An all out assault at government services (some of which may have been privatized) water treatment, sewer, various food chain items, could be a real problem. Perhaps we know what the US plans would be if we attacked someone in that way. I don't know the answer. Perhaps a hundred thousand system admins of various skill levels, each fighting an individual battle to save their system versus a coordinated government/military defense. Does the government have powers over the airwaves during these times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 12:11 PM) Does the government have powers over the airwaves during these times? The government technically owns the airwaves and leases the rights to television, radio, and cell phone providers. Does the government own either the wires that connect your home/business to computer networks or the servers that you're accessing through those networks any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 12:24 PM) The government technically owns the airwaves and leases the rights to television, radio, and cell phone providers. Does the government own either the wires that connect your home/business to computer networks or the servers that you're accessing through those networks any more? No they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 08:12 PM) No they don't. So a private company could basically shut down the internet by shutting off their lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 09:12 PM) No they don't. Which part? Are you denying that the government owns the airwaves? Or that AT&T owns the wires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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