CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 08:38 PM) This is quite exciting. Viciedo, Hudson, Flowers, and now Sale all on the cusp of the Majors. Sales will start off in A ball so no matter what he and his agent expect him to do he is not on the cusp of the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 His present arm motion will have him out of the league within 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 05:09 AM) His present arm motion will have him out of the league within 5 years. Someone's drinking the Project Prospect Kool-Aid. Not nearly enough is known on the subject to make a statement like this. Sure he could be out of the league in 5 years, but so could any pitching prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 12:14 AM) Someone's drinking the Project Prospect Kool-Aid. Not nearly enough is known on the subject to make a statement like this. Sure he could be out of the league in 5 years, but so could any pitching prospect. I was reading all the AAP stuff and I read ptac's statement, who I full trust in mattrs of pitching movement who said that there would be significant wear with that motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 11:17 PM) I was reading all the AAP stuff and I read ptac's statement, who I full trust in mattrs of pitching movement who said that there would be significant wear with that motion. He also said Strasburgs was much, much worse. Like Jeff said, you really could say that to most prospects even with the "perfect mechanics" right Mark Prior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I think the chances of this happening are pretty high. He's a great option for second lefty in the pen: a role that guarantees high-leverage work but not an insane amount of it. I'm only okay with this if a transition to starter starts the next spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 This is quite exciting. Viciedo, Hudson, Flowers, and now Sale all on the cusp of the Majors. Sal can be MLB starting rotation material in a year. But one question. Wasn´t Poreda absolutely rated as can´t miss in the draft? He has really bombed after the trade but he only had his FB I guess. Sale has the FB and 2 plus pitches from what I hear. And him working with Coop can´t be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 01:01 AM) Sal can be MLB starting rotation material in a year. But one question. Wasn´t Poreda absolutely rated as can´t miss in the draft? He has really bombed after the trade but he only had his FB I guess. Sale has the FB and 2 plus pitches from what I hear. And him working with Coop can´t be bad. Poreda was a project with a plus fastball and no breaking pitches. He was very raw coming out of school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Poreda was a project with a plus fastball and no breaking pitches. He was very raw coming out of school. Yeah TB, I realized that as I typed. Lot of debate on his mechanics from the 3/4 arm slot. If he sitched from 3/4 to full arm slot would that improve or reduce his chance of future injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 11:19 PM) He also said Strasburgs was much, much worse. Like Jeff said, you really could say that to most prospects even with the "perfect mechanics" right Mark Prior? I think they could be right about Strasburg. Every time I watch him pitch, visions of Kerry Wood circa 1998 dance in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 The Hell with August. Bring him up!!!!!! Seriously, If everyone is worried about his motion, just let him be the LOOGY for the rest of this year. That would not give him enough innings to damage his arm, no matter how bad his mechanics might be. The funky motion might make him really hard to hit, if he isn't over exposed. He's supposed to have really good control, and two plus Big League pitches. That just might work as a LOOGY. He wanted a chance to get to the Majors this year, so I say give it to him. Apparently, he has plenty of self confidence. If he flops, then there is always "plan B". Let him go down to the Minors and prepare to be a starter next year. The Sox will have fulfilled their obligation to give him a shot at the Majors this year. It looks like a win - win situation to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Sale is better than Randy Williams right now, get him off the club and get someone up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 They signed him at a 'Sale's' price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 10:32 PM) I guess I'll finally have something to talk about if he comes through B'ham. BA is saying he'll start in Winston-Salem for a couple weeks and then move up to Charlotte at the end of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Arguing over a pitchers arm motion is pointless because throwing a baseball is not a regular body motion. So really any pitcher could be gone in five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 This is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 11:19 PM) He also said Strasburgs was much, much worse. Like Jeff said, you really could say that to most prospects even with the "perfect mechanics" right Mark Prior? Strasburg's is much worse. He will either blow his elbow out, or not. Nobody really knows at this point since so many factors come into play. Edited June 21, 2010 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 08:08 AM) BA is saying he'll start in Winston-Salem for a couple weeks and then move up to Charlotte at the end of July. He could spend a week or two here, possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 07:00 AM) The Hell with August. Bring him up!!!!!! Seriously, If everyone is worried about his motion, just let him be the LOOGY for the rest of this year. That would not give him enough innings to damage his arm, no matter how bad his mechanics might be. The funky motion might make him really hard to hit, if he isn't over exposed. He's supposed to have really good control, and two plus Big League pitches. That just might work as a LOOGY. He wanted a chance to get to the Majors this year, so I say give it to him. Apparently, he has plenty of self confidence. If he flops, then there is always "plan B". Let him go down to the Minors and prepare to be a starter next year. The Sox will have fulfilled their obligation to give him a shot at the Majors this year. It looks like a win - win situation to me. I'm not sure how smart it would be to let a kid like that come to the big show without paying his dues in the minor leagues first. Plus the Sox aren't dying right now for left handed pitching. Getting another left hand arm isn't what would put us over the top right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 09:28 AM) Strasburg's is much worse. He will either blow his elbow out, or not. Nobody really knows at this point since so many factors come into play. That's quite the large limb you went out on there. QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 10:02 AM) I'm not sure how smart it would be to let a kid like that come to the big show without paying his dues in the minor leagues first. Plus the Sox aren't dying right now for left handed pitching. Getting another left hand arm isn't what would put us over the top right now. Randy Williams says hi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 09:11 AM) That's quite the large limb you went out on there. Randy Williams says hi. I didn't say that Randy Williams didn't suck. But Randy Williams isn't the only reason that the Sox got off to such a bad start. Has he cost us a lot of games? I haven't looked it up but it seems to me that he only been in during garbage time. I just don't wanna ruin the kid by bringing him up too soon. Let him marinate a lil bit in the minors and let's concentrate on getting some more hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 09:21 AM) I didn't say that Randy Williams didn't suck. But Randy Williams isn't the only reason that the Sox got off to such a bad start. Has he cost us a lot of games? I haven't looked it up but it seems to me that he only been in during garbage time. He had the most appearances for the first 6-8 weeks of the season and was continually put into important situations early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 02:32 AM) I heard today he told Royals at #4 he would want to sign for way over slot, making a lot of teams skip on him because White Sox promised him majors in August. Any truth to this? Doesn't ring with the Sox desire not to rush people. But, then again I guess we did with GB and it's now debatable that that was the right decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 09:23 AM) He had the most appearances for the first 6-8 weeks of the season and was continually put into important situations early on. And he blew it and cost the Sox some wins? Eh... I still say I don't wanna ruin Sale's growth. Maybe they should try Threets first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 11:19 PM) He also said Strasburgs was much, much worse. Like Jeff said, you really could say that to most prospects even with the "perfect mechanics" right Mark Prior? Mark Prior had a similar motion. His mechanics were perfect as are Sale's for the philosophy they were taught. This is why Prior's problems were so ambiguous. He didn't have a specific injury. His shoulder just got loose and was sore and painful all the time. I'm not saying Sale will definately get injured soon and he won't have a career. Some pitchers can pitch like this without significant problems. Nothing is sure about the picting motion, poroved by the vast number of theories and philiosophies out there. Sale's motion probably adds velocity and sipn to his pitches, so he may need it. I am saying the probability of injury with that motion is higher due to the stress at the shoulder. It may mainifest itself at the elbow but the shoulder is more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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