This win streak...how much credit goes to Ozzie?

[iamshack]

Look, I've gone on record as stating Ozzie is the worst in-game manager in baseball. Still, for whatever reason, he probably contributes to some of the success that this team has had in some capacity over his tenure, and his managerial record seems too good to just be players performing despite him.

I agree with you, I think Ozzie did a nice job on the road trip. I wasn't pleased with the lineup card Saturday, but his hunch worked! We won without Rios OR Konerko, which pretty much means the results were perfect.

 

 

[maki]

I agree with you, I think Ozzie did a nice job on the road trip. I wasn't pleased with the lineup card Saturday, but his hunch worked! We won without Rios OR Konerko, which pretty much means the results were perfect.

 

Sitting one of those on Saturday and one on Sunday probably increases your chances on Saturday more than double the decrease on Sunday from sitting one. He had 3 guys hitting under .210 in the 3-5 slots, one of which is running at a clip much lower than .210 after a hot start. There's no good reason a major league manager should put that lineup out there and I'd venture a guess that 29 other managers would agree.

 

You really can't say a specific trip is the result of a manager's prowess or idiocy. Manager's make a small amount of important decisions a game, most of which are scrutinized, but in actuality there's one right choice and the decision makes itself. The shortcomings lie in things like lineup cards and ignoring what the performance of your team and individuals is telling you.

 

[SoxAce]

Ozzie gets credit for those? Really?

 

It was just plain ignorant to sit both Paulie and Alex on the same day when you're already running without a DH. Ozzie gets credit for having Peavy on the bump to bail his sorry ass lineup out after they scored 1 freaking run.

 

He gets credit for putting a former closer in to close out a game in which his regular close was unavailable?

 

Peavy was at what, like 90 pitches heading to the 9th...why wouldn't he stay in and, even if he didn't, we've got a pretty good bullpen.

 

 

I hate to be an OG hater, but I think he's pretty much had nothing to do with this streak, nor has KW....this is all on the players starting to perform.

 

The past few "sporadic" weeks man, your post have been a pleasure to see. Post more.

[iamshack]

Sitting one of those on Saturday and one on Sunday probably increases your chances on Saturday more than double the decrease on Sunday from sitting one. He had 3 guys hitting under .210 in the 3-5 slots, one of which is running at a clip much lower than .210 after a hot start. There's no good reason a major league manager should put that lineup out there and I'd venture a guess that 29 other managers would agree.

 

You really can't say a specific trip is the result of a manager's prowess or idiocy. Manager's make a small amount of important decisions a game, most of which are scrutinized, but in actuality there's one right choice and the decision makes itself. The shortcomings lie in things like lineup cards and ignoring what the performance of your team and individuals is telling you.

Well, I said he did a good job on the trip, not that he was the reason they won 10 of 11.

 

And I disagree with you as to the decision to sit Rios and PK in the same game. I think it was a calculated gamble that paid off.

 

 

[iamshack]

This thread is f***ing fantastic.

 

I don't know how many posts in how many threads after how many games in which how many posters have been blaming Ozzie, blaming Kenny, blaming JR, blaming EVERYONE but the players for our losing record.

 

Now the players start performing a bit, and NO ONE but a very small few wants to give credit to Ozzie or Kenny or JR, but ONLY to the players for actually performing.

 

What a crock of s***.

[fathom]

Well, I said he did a good job on the trip, not that he was the reason they won 10 of 11.

 

And I disagree with you as to the decision to sit Rios and PK in the same game. I think it was a calculated gamble that paid off.

 

The reason I hated the lineup decision on Saturday is that we came off of a very inspiring win the night before beating Strasburg. You want to build on that momentum, and he put the worst lineup possible on the field. Yes, it paid off cause Peavy pitched great. However, it was the wrong decision IMO to keep the positive vibes going. He lucked out, just like how he got unlucky bringing in Thornton sooner, rather than later in the Tigers game we lost.

[iamshack]

The reason I hated the lineup decision on Saturday is that we came off of a very inspiring win the night before beating Strasburg. You want to build on that momentum, and he put the worst lineup possible on the field. Yes, it paid off cause Peavy pitched great. However, it was the wrong decision IMO to keep the positive vibes going. He lucked out, just like how he got unlucky bringing in Thornton sooner, rather than later in the Tigers game we lost.

I dunno, Rios came out looking like a machine Sunday. They had 15 hits or something.

 

I don't think they lost the positive vibes too much with that win Saturday.

[fathom]

I dunno, Rios came out looking like a machine Sunday. They had 15 hits or something.

 

I don't think they lost the positive vibes too much with that win Saturday.

 

Well yeah, cause the horrible offense got bailed out by Peavy.

[greg775]

My point was that Rios conveniently came right out of his slump on Sunday, and Paulie drove in three. Seems like the rest might have contributed to that.

 

Great post Hibbard.

I cannot believe people are b****ing about Ozzie sitting Paulie and Rios the same day when WE WON THE GAME.

What the f*** difference does it make? We won.

And like you said it worked on Sunday as well.

 

Bottom line is you can second guess 10 decisions in any loss and now Sox fans are second guessing decisions in victories which makes absolutely no sense.

In answer to your question, a lot of the credit should go to Ozzie.

Firing him was not the answer. He knows the game of baseball in and out and has a great feel for players.

Edited June 22, 2010 by greg775

[iamshack]

Well yeah, cause the horrible offense got bailed out by Peavy.

You guys can second guess all you want. I understand.

 

But usually the second guessing comes when the decision does not work out.

[greg775]

But usually the second guessing comes when the decision does not work out.

 

Not on here.

To second guess after a victory is negativity that does not compute with me.

[BigSqwert]

Great post Hibbard.

I cannot believe people are b****ing about Ozzie sitting Paulie and Rios the same day when WE WON THE GAME.

What the f*** difference does it make? We won.

And like you said it worked on Sunday as well.

 

Bottom line is you can second guess 10 decisions in any loss and now Sox fans are second guessing decisions in victories which makes absolutely no sense.

In answer to your question, a lot of the credit should go to Ozzie.

Firing him was not the answer. He knows the game of baseball in and out and has a great feel for players.

 

Peavy single-handedly won that game. Ozzie just made it harder for him to do so.

[greg775]

It's results that matter.

We won.

 

Ozzie left Peavy in to finish it. I'm sure some would have fried Ozzie had Peavy blown it in a scary ninth.

"How can he leave him in with a bad shoulder?"

"What is Ozzie trying to do to Peavy?"

"You've got Thornton for god sakes. Why did he leave in Peavy???"

 

Oz gets the final laugh. He is rich and can deal with absurd second guessing after victories. My gosh. Do some realize what they sound like complaining about wins? I need Rongey's take on this.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Not on here.

To second guess after a victory is negativity that does not compute with me.

 

Oh stop.

 

You were the loudest on here about it being impossible for us to sweep the Pirates last week.

[iamshack]

Peavy single-handedly won that game. Ozzie just made it harder for him to do so.

And maybe Jake needed to do that for a damned change.

 

That's why he makes like $500k every two weeks.

[greg775]

You were the loudest on here about it being impossible for us to sweep the Pirates last week.

 

I did that because a.) I didn't think we were capable of sweeping anybody on the road this season and b.) for the reverse jinx. I figured my statement would be a reverse jinx and we'd win all 3.

[BigSqwert]

And maybe Jake needed to do that for a damned change.

 

That's why he makes like $500k every two weeks.

I don't disagree but Ozzie should make it easier for the team to win and not harder. That might be one of the worst lineups I've ever seen in the last 20 years. I'm amazed they scored 1 run.

[greg775]

That might be one of the worst lineups I've ever seen in the last 20 years. I'm amazed they scored 1 run.

 

The man Oz said Rios needed rest and Paulie a day off.

How do you know if they played and again on Sunday they'd have sucked and we'd have lost one or both games???

We got a run. We won. And the next day we excelled.

Edited June 22, 2010 by greg775

[iamshack]

I don't disagree but Ozzie should make it easier for the team to win and not harder. That might be one of the worst lineups I've ever seen in the last 20 years. I'm amazed they scored 1 run.

While I agree with you, getting a day off for Paulie and Rios with Peavy on the mound against the Nationals is one of the reasons why Peavy was brought here. He is supposed to be an ace. He is paid to be an ace. This is one of the luxuries an ace allows you.

 

I'm happy he stepped up to the plate and hopefully the rest afforded the two sluggers will pay dividends this week.

[BigSqwert]

The man Oz said Rios needed rest and Paulie a day off.

How do you know if they played and again on Sunday they'd have sucked and we'd have lost one or both games???

We got a run. We won. And the next day we excelled.

 

Most managers with half a brain rest one player on Saturday and the other on Sunday. Those are our only legitimate hitters on our team right now. Plus the entire team had a day off on Monday.

Edited June 22, 2010 by BigSqwert

[fathom]

It's results that matter.

We won.

 

Ozzie left Peavy in to finish it. I'm sure some would have fried Ozzie had Peavy blown it in a scary ninth.

"How can he leave him in with a bad shoulder?"

"What is Ozzie trying to do to Peavy?"

"You've got Thornton for god sakes. Why did he leave in Peavy???"

 

Oz gets the final laugh. He is rich and can deal with absurd second guessing after victories. My gosh. Do some realize what they sound like complaining about wins? I need Rongey's take on this.

 

If we only criticized after a loss, you would be the first person on here saying "you guys only bash Ozzie after a loss".

[fathom]

I need Rongey's take on this.

 

It would probably be something like "one game doesn't make or break a season".

[BigSqwert]

It would probably be something like "one game doesn't make or break a season".

[greg775]

Squert are you personally offended we only won 1-0?

Did you watch the entire game and sob because we didn't score 4-5? Our lineup has sucked with Paulie and Rios in it as well.

Were you so convinced we were going to win 8-0 with Rios and Paulie or one of the two you couldn't enjoy the game?

 

I don't understand the problem here. It was a good game and the White Sox won and they won again the next day.

What is the problem here? I don't get it.

[BigSqwert]

Squert are you personally offended we only won 1-0?

Did you watch the entire game and sob because we didn't score 4-5? Our lineup has sucked with Paulie and Rios in it as well.

Were you so convinced we were going to win 8-0 with Rios and Paulie or one of the two you couldn't enjoy the game?

 

I don't understand the problem here. It was a good game and the White Sox won and they won again the next day.

What is the problem here? I don't get it.

The problem is you continually spell my name incorrectly.

 

And I assume you are comfortable with Ozzie periodically resting Paulie and Rios on the same day?

Edited June 22, 2010 by BigSqwert