Kalapse Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Peavy 16 Buehrle 14 Rios 12 Linebrink 5.5 Pierre 5 Floyd 5 Teahen 4.75 Thornton 3 Viciedo 1.25 Ramirez 1.1 Castro 0.2 Danks ???? (3.45) Jenks ???? (7.5) Pena ???? (1.2) Quentin ???? (3.2) Total 67.8 ---then guessing at salaries--- Peavy 16 Buehrle 14 Rios 12 Linebrink 5.5 Pierre 5 Floyd 5 Teahen 4.75 Thornton 3 Viciedo 1.25 Ramirez 1.1 Castro 0.2 Danks 7 Jenks 8.3 Pena 2 Quentin 5.5 Total 90.6 It's so tough to guess sarlay arbitration numbers in June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 And you assume that Jenks doesn't get offered arbitration, then you wind up with my $12 million figure if the total salary hangs around $95 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 04:50 PM) You know what looked hideous to me? Scott Feldman's 17-8 record last year. More wins than Greinke, Garza, Kershaw and Gallardo. That was the most grotesque thing I've seen in a while. Scott Failedman? Wins and losses should be abolished, much like runs batted in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:04 PM) And you assume that Jenks doesn't get offered arbitration, then you wind up with my $12 million figure if the total salary hangs around $95 million. Yep, right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 02:43 PM) If we keep the payroll up near $100 mil, that clears us from $12 million to $15 million + available, which makes things easier but not perfect, because we're still suffering from lack of a DH, 1b, and closer, all of which can be expensive, on top of needing more setup men. I'd do that Konerko deal also, but then we have to figure out the closer's spot, and we're not offering Jenks arbitration. I can't remember the last time that the Sox pursued an experienced MLB closer through FA. I imagine that it'll be either Thornton or Santos next year. It's too bad that Kenny didn't get Putz to sign a team option for 2011. He's been looking like the dominant 2007 Putz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:05 PM) Scott Failedman? Wins and losses should be abolished, much like runs batted in. I agree about wins and loses. RBI is still important, though flawed and overrated (Ryan Howard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 06:07 PM) I can't remember the last time that the Sox pursued an experienced MLB closer through FA. I imagine that it'll be either Thornton or Santos next year. It's too bad that Kenny didn't get Putz to sign a team option for 2011. He's been looking like the dominant 2007 Putz. I doubt that Putz would have given anything close to a reasonable option, because he likely wants to cash in as a closer in the offseason. He could be talking about maybe even an 8-10 million a year deal if someone is really after a closer, if he comes up with this kind of season at the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:07 PM) I agree about wins and loses. RBI is still important, though flawed and overrated (Ryan Howard). The problem I have with RBI is some people try to use it when comparing player A to player B. OMG it pisses me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:09 PM) The problem I have with RBI is some people try to use it when comparing player A to player B. OMG it pisses me off. My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:09 PM) The problem I have with RBI is some people try to use it when comparing player A to player B. OMG it pisses me off. I agree completely. There was a dude over at the ESPN board that compared Jorge Cantu favorably to Evan Longoria because of Cantu's 100 RBI last year. I thought he was kidding. When I realized he was serious I started to cut myself because I was so angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:10 PM) My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year? How many opportunities said player(s) had to drive in a run, whether it be a runner in scoring position, or on first... compared to league average. That's pretty much it. Sure on occasion players can hit great with men on and poorly with none on... but as a general whole the numbers even out pretty well. If you are a .220 hitter... but are one of the league leaders in rbi opportunities... you better believe that player has a great chance of being among a league leader in rbi's. It works both ways. You can hit .350, but if you don't have the opportunities, what does it matter? Edited June 24, 2010 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (qwerty @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:19 PM) How many opportunities said player(s) had to drive in a run, whether it be a runner in scoring position, or on first... compared to league average. That's pretty much it. Sure on occasion players can hit great with men on and poorly with none on... but as a general whole the numbers even out pretty well. If you are a .220 hitter... but are one of the league leaders in rbi opportunities... you better believe that player has a great chance of being among a league leader in rbi's. It works both ways. You can hit .350, but if you don't have the opportunities, what does it matter? That's exactly what I was getting at, well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:10 PM) My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year? In a way, it tells you a little bit about the player's ability, because you don't see everybody driving in 100 runs. However, most of it is about who hits around you. Adrian Gonzalez getting only 100 RBI a year doesn't mean he's nowhere near as good as Ryan Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:30 PM) In a way, it tells you a little bit about the player's ability, because you don't see everybody driving in 100 runs. However, most of it is about who hits around you. Adrian Gonzalez getting only 100 RBI a year doesn't mean he's nowhere near as good as Ryan Howard. As much as everyone loves Adrian, he's still underrated IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:46 PM) As much as everyone loves Adrian, he's still underrated IMO. If the year ended now, he'd be the NL leader in WAR. So technically, he has been the most valuable position player in the NL thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:02 PM) Peavy 16 Buehrle 14 Rios 12 Linebrink 5.5 Pierre 5 Floyd 5 Teahen 4.75 Thornton 3 Viciedo 1.25 Ramirez 1.1 Castro 0.2 Danks ???? (3.45) Jenks ???? (7.5) Pena ???? (1.2) Quentin ???? (3.2) Total 67.8 ---then guessing at salaries--- Peavy 16 Buehrle 14 Rios 12 Linebrink 5.5 Pierre 5 Floyd 5 Teahen 4.75 Thornton 3 Viciedo 1.25 Ramirez 1.1 Castro 0.2 Danks 7 Jenks 8.3 Pena 2 Quentin 5.5 Total 90.6 It's so tough to guess sarlay arbitration numbers in June Is Castro a misprint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:48 PM) Is Castro a misprint? I'm assuming yes since he's getting paid $1 million this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 As the Beatles would say No. 9 , No. 9, No. 9 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 06:10 PM) My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year? Roughly the OBP of the three players ahead of him in the lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 03:52 PM) As the Beatles would say No. 9 , No. 9, No. 9 . Apologies to SS2k5 . I really didn't think anyone would make the reference I just made so I posted it beforre reading the thread only to see it in the very 1st post. ha ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 I don't know what the f*** has gotten into this team but I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:55 PM) Apologies to SS2k5 . I really didn't think anyone would make the reference I just made so I posted it beforre reading the thread only to see it in the very 1st post. ha ! No apologies necessary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 05:59 PM) I don't know what the f*** has gotten into this team but I love it! Starting pitchers woke up and have been on an ungodly tear. Offense is still inconsistent but when you're shutting out the opposition that doesn't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 07:01 PM) Starting pitchers woke up and have been on an ungodly tear. Offense is still inconsistent but when you're shutting out the opposition that doesn't really matter. You're being kind. The offense still blows. But hey, if the other team can't score at all, it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 24, 2010 -> 06:01 PM) Starting pitchers woke up and have been on an ungodly tear. Offense is still inconsistent but when you're shutting out the opposition that doesn't really matter. The defense has also been stellar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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