NorthSideSox72 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 07:59 AM) If he was costing us $2 million a year, and it didn't cost us anything I cared about to get him, I'd do it. Nothing more. I wouldn't care about that buyout if he melted down again. Even at $2M a year, no thanks. He's a worse pitcher (attitude aside) right now than any of our starting staff, and he's only better than Williams and Linebrink in the pen. So the only place he'd be of use is basically to take Linebrink's spot, and be a long and mop-up reliever. And while that has value, it doesn't have enough value to outweigh all the baggage he brings. So, really, I'm just sticking with No Thank You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 09:02 AM) Even at $2M a year, no thanks. He's a worse pitcher (attitude aside) right now than any of our starting staff, and he's only better than Williams and Linebrink in the pen. So the only place he'd be of use is basically to take Linebrink's spot, and be a long and mop-up reliever. And while that has value, it doesn't have enough value to outweigh all the baggage he brings. So, really, I'm just sticking with No Thank You. On the off chance that working with Ozzie/Cooper could rehabilitate him, if I had Ozzie's word that he'd stay under control, I'd do it, because if you could get him back to at least solid setup man form, worst case scenario you've got trade bait, and if you're moving Linebrink to get him, then basically you're at equal numbers on salary, such that if h e did melt down your not taking a hit you wouldn't be taking anyway. That's my limit though. I'd take him when risking essentially nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 (edited) You gotta remember though, Ozzie uses "his guys" too much, and Zambrano would undoubtedly be one of "his guys," good or bad. Edited June 28, 2010 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 08:07 AM) On the off chance that working with Ozzie/Cooper could rehabilitate him, if I had Ozzie's word that he'd stay under control, I'd do it, because if you could get him back to at least solid setup man form, worst case scenario you've got trade bait, and if you're moving Linebrink to get him, then basically you're at equal numbers on salary, such that if h e did melt down your not taking a hit you wouldn't be taking anyway. That's my limit though. I'd take him when risking essentially nothing. You're not risking nothing. Think about it - he's Ozzie's bud. There is a strong chance that Zambrano has issues with people in the clubhouse, and/or has some major meltdown. A sane manager would, at that point, get rid of him. But I'm fairly sure that Ozzie wouldn't - he'd keep him, much to the dismay of some on the team. Cooper has already said "that asshole isn't pitching here". Even if the money is even in sending over Linebrink, you are definitely risking a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The Cubs can enjoy Zambrano, because we sure as s*** shouldn't want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I wouldn't even want Zambrano if he was having a good year. I sure as hell don't want him with that remaining contract, plus he's too volatile. I'd take Dan Hudson or Carlos Torres in the rotation before Zambrano any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'd rather have Linebrink and his contract than Zambrano for the value of Linebrink's contract, because at least Linebrink isn't a threat to kill anything outside of a deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Ozzie versus Zambrano would be quite the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Why would be be interested in Zambrano? We don't make moves for the sake of making moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 09:48 AM) Why would be be interested in Zambrano? We don't make moves for the sake of making moves. We aren't. This was just conversation for the sake of having conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 01:29 AM) Plus there is no place for Zambrano. He would not start for us right now, nor would he unseat Jenks, Thornton, Putz, Pena or Santos in the pen. I'd have a problem making such a deal for a long reliever. Plus, don't be so ready to give up on Teahen after a bad couple of months. Plus why are we giving up 4 players for an inconsistent and kind of crazy pitcher? Now Linebrink or Williams for Carlos Z maybe, but at this point I think Linebrink might be coming back around. Zambrano not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 12:36 PM) Plus why are we giving up 4 players for an inconsistent and kind of crazy pitcher? Now Linebrink or Williams for Carlos Z maybe, but at this point I think Linebrink might be coming back around. Zambrano not so much I don't think yesterday's outing means much, this is the same guy with the 9 ERA, 2 WHIP and 4 HR in 7 June innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 09:19 AM) We aren't. This was just conversation for the sake of having conversation. Don't be so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 28, 2010 -> 11:01 AM) Don't be so sure. You actually think that Kenny is considering picking up the $45M tab on a clubhouse cancer nutcase whose skills have been gradually eroding over the past 5 years, and now is at the point where he's been demoted to the 'pen? Even if the Cubs eat half of his remaining contract, it's still a ridiculously-bad move. Edited June 28, 2010 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 You said it all, WC Sox. That's all that needs to be said about that topic. Spot on. Zambrano is an average to below average pitcher who makes way too much money. Nobody with a brain will want that guy even if they only have to pay 5 or 6 mill for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) Anyone think Ted Lilly is worth a shot? Edited July 9, 2010 by chisoxfan09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Jul 9, 2010 -> 12:01 AM) Anyone think Ted Lilly is worth a shot? At all costs - No. Ted Lilly would get walloped in the AL full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 (edited) Bump. Now that Peavy is gone, maybe this isn't such a bad idea. Edited July 27, 2010 by Chet Kincaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 07:49 AM) Bump. Now that Peavy is gone, maybe this isn't such a bad idea. Sure it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 07:49 AM) Bump. Now that Peavy is gone, maybe this isn't such a bad idea. Unless a deal is worked out where we get his salary paid for, and we dump Linebrink, this would be a terrible idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 09:43 AM) Unless a deal is worked out where we get his salary paid for, and we dump Linebrink, this would be a terrible idea. Like i said, I'd take him if we were paying him $2 mil a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Maybe it's not such a stretch that the Cubs would be picking up a substantial portion of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I wouldn't be shocked if the Sox got Z....Ozzie loves him and I would think his value is at the lowest so maybe we could get him for next to nothing depending on how much the Cubs would pay of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I just couldn't believe how badly he pitched against us before his ejection. He was horrible. And obviously he was horrible before that since he got demoted to the bullpen. I just don't think he's very good and when he's not very good he's also apparently a cancer. I'd pass on this guy at all costs unless Cubs pay all but 1 million of the contract. Even then his pitches still will scream, "HIT ME." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_LEE45 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I would rather have Z than Hudson for the 5th spot,Ozzie and Coop would straighten him out... Give me Z and Berkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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