chetkincaid Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:09 AM) What do you mean "he appears" to want to play for a winning organization? How do you determine who does and doesn't want to play for a winner? Maybe he means that DeJesus doesn't believe that the Royals have what it takes to be a winning organization and he isn't happy playing with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (soxfan-kwman @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 09:26 AM) Dejesus is a good call. He will add something & I don't know for sure, but he seems like a guy who wants to play on a winner. He appears to want to play for a "winning organization" That makes the Sox a long shot then. "Winning Organization" is defined by Webster's Dictionary for the Professional Athlete:Any professional sports franchise that is willing pay and athlete what the athlete thinks he is worth or well above market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 09:07 AM) Seriously? You don't think this team can handle more ex Royals and ex Nat'l leaguers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 11:19 AM) You don't think this team can handle more ex Royals and ex Nat'l leaguers? If they're good players, I don't care if they played for the Newark f***ing Bears, I want them on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 09:19 AM) You don't think this team can handle more ex Royals and ex Nat'l leaguers? I wouldn't dismiss DeJesus simply because he's on the Royals. DeJesus can play all 3 OF positions and has a career .361 OBP and career 108 OPS+. I'd love to have him on the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 01:00 PM) If they're good players, I don't care if they played for the Newark f***ing Bears, I want them on this team. Everett, Mackowiak, Benitez... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 03:01 PM) Everett, Mackowiak, Benitez... We missed out on Benitez, he got signed by the Marlins. It's always funny looking over the Bears roster...constantly get flashbacks and remember certain players you'd completely forgotten about or wondered what they were doing. Edgardo Alfonzo, Scott Spiezio, Brian Barton, Daryle Ward, and obviously Everett. Kala Kaaihue is on the team too, but they list him with his given first name, Isaiah, rather than by Kala. That's fun stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 03:23 PM) We missed out on Benitez, he got signed by the Marlins. It's always funny looking over the Bears roster...constantly get flashbacks and remember certain players you'd completely forgotten about or wondered what they were doing. Edgardo Alfonzo, Scott Spiezio, Brian Barton, Daryle Ward, and obviously Everett. Kala Kaaihue is on the team too, but they list him with his given first name, Isaiah, rather than by Kala. That's fun stuff. Yeah I was just thinking of guys who were on it last year. Now that I look at roster this year, Willie Banks?? Remember when the Cubs thought he was a stud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 03:32 PM) Yeah I was just thinking of guys who were on it last year. Now that I look at roster this year, Willie Banks?? Remember when the Cubs thought he was a stud... Raines is managing, Karkovice is a coach, and Banks is a coach too. I love the Newark Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan-kwman Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:22 AM) Maybe he means that DeJesus doesn't believe that the Royals have what it takes to be a winning organization and he isn't happy playing with them? Pure opinion as far as Dejesus, as for "winning organization", sarcasism of Hawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 While it is not going to happen (unfortunately) we could upgrade the team a LOT more by adding a solid defensive right fielder and moving Quentin to DH, than by just adding Dunn (or Laroche, Berkman, Scott). By Fangraphs numbers, David Dejesus would be an improvement of 14.5 runs on defense compared to Quentin. Add in that he's just been 1.4 runs less valuable than Dunn on offense this year, and that's a glaringly better target, and a lot cheaper. There is very little chance of Quentin being moved to DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 DeJesus + Pierre in the outfield at the same time just asks teams to take extra bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:34 PM) DeJesus + Pierre in the outfield at the same time just asks teams to take extra bases. I'll take that over terrible range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:37 PM) I'll take that over terrible range. Yup. Give me range over arm any day. Between Jermaine Dye from 2006-2009 and CQ this year, I've been scarred for life as far as RF defense goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 There are a lot worse right fielders than Dye for most of his Sox career here and Quentin. We need some guys who can hit. Our defense has been pretty good since Teahen exited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:59 PM) There are a lot worse right fielders than Dye for most of his Sox career here and Quentin. We need some guys who can hit. Our defense has been pretty good since Teahen exited. How can I like like and hate you at the same time? lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 So I'm still wondering what it would take to get DeJesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:59 PM) There are a lot worse right fielders than Dye for most of his Sox career here and Quentin. While they catch the balls that are in their range and have average to above-average arms, their range is a nightmare and a huge liability. Erasing a lot of the good they can do offensively. QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:59 PM) We need some guys who can hit. That's why I suggested Dejesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 06:21 PM) So I'm still wondering what it would take to get DeJesus. Mark Kotsay is a better defensive outfielder than DeJesus and offensively both players are fairly similar. Kotsay can also serve as your backup first basemen. Obv David is off the a much better start this season, but considering Mark is free and DeJesus would cost prospects, I just assume let KC keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 f*** it, lets just bring back Dye and call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 f*** it, lets just sign me for 500k and I'll rock the house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) While it is not going to happen (unfortunately) we could upgrade the team a LOT more by adding a solid defensive right fielder and moving Quentin to DH, than by just adding Dunn (or Laroche, Berkman, Scott). By Fangraphs numbers, David Dejesus would be an improvement of 14.5 runs on defense compared to Quentin. Add in that he's just been 1.4 runs less valuable than Dunn on offense this year, and that's a glaringly better target, and a lot cheaper. There is very little chance of Quentin being moved to DH. If I'm Kenny and the Royals offered me DeJesus for Quentin straight-up, I'd seriously consider it. Quentin at his best is obviously far superior offensively. The problem is that he's made of glass and has been highly-erratic when he actually has been healthy. DeJesus has a $6M club option for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:59 PM) There are a lot worse right fielders than Dye for most of his Sox career here and Quentin. We need some guys who can hit. Our defense has been pretty good since Teahen exited. Okay Greg, to give you a picture of how bad Carlos and Dye have been these past few years, think about Teahen, but two times worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Josh Byrnes and A.J. Hinch are gone. Maybe this is a time we should try to deal for LaRoche? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 09:36 PM) Josh Byrnes and A.J. Hinch are gone. Maybe this is a time we should try to deal for LaRoche? I'm actually disappointed. Kenny seemed to have a good relationship with Byrnes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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