Real Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I hope I'm not the only person who thinks Hudson for Dunn is overpaying for a rental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 01:38 PM) I hope I'm not the only person who thinks Hudson for Dunn is overpaying for a rental it only matters if one person does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 10:56 AM) Flowers has been the most disappointing prospect for me this year. If you exclude the month of May where they had him mess with his swing, he's put up a .952 OPS. As it is, I only see 3 "prospects" (dudes younger than 28) in the International League who've been better than his .810 OPS. An no surprise, none of them is a catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) after the All-Star break he has a career OPS of .906? Can we really expect him to produce the same outside of Atlanta and Pittsburgh and Arizona? But yes, that .906 2nd half OPS is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 02:53 PM) Can we really expect him to produce the same outside of Atlanta and Pittsburgh and Arizona? Frankly, the Cell is a much better hitters' park than Atlanta, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 01:55 PM) Frankly, the Cell is a much better hitters' park than Atlanta, for example. Has less to do with parks than it does the leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Yeah Atlanta and Pittsburgh are not good for hitters. And the NL to AL numbers downsize tends to hit pitchers much more than it does hitters as far as I'm aware of. Edited July 20, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 02:38 PM) I hope I'm not the only person who thinks Hudson for Dunn is overpaying for a rental I would be really pissed. Maybe I'm wrong, but prospects like Hudson are not easy to come by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 02:58 PM) Yeah Atlanta and Pittsburgh are not good for hitters. And the NL to AL numbers downsize tends to hit pitchers much more than it does hitters as far as I'm aware of. I will grant, there are some guys who just seem unable to hit in the opposite league for whatever reason. Holliday was that way for a while, LaRoche had the rep of not being able to hit outside of Atlanta until this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I will be very disappointed if we trade Hudson and Flowers for Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 01:33 PM) Can someone explain to me why people like Adam LaRoche so much? for me it's because he's not Mark Kotsay... Laroche isn't putting up crazy numbers or anything, basic stat but his OPS+ is 100 while Kotsay's is 81, so basically he would be an average hitter, but an upgrade from Kotsay and I think he would be cheap when it comes to prospects. I'm usually all for erring on the side of trading prospects to go for it now, but some of the names I hear being thrown around for 2 months of Dunn concern me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 It's one thing to give Ozzie the type of team he wants and let him manage the team the way he wants. It's another thing to give Ozzie the benefit of the doubt on the make-up of a roster that you as a GM clearly see has a gaping hole. Now we need to plug it by giving up top prospects and perhaps a player that will be extremely needed to make a playoff push (Hudson)? If we're going to have to do the old spinning wheel for a 5th starter and basically lose every 5th day, then there is no point in upgrading the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Dunn will cost a lot because Washington undoubtedly believes they can still resign him, because he will result in two compensation picks within the first 65 (and more likely within the top 50), and because he's a pretty damn good hitter. Even though Cowley says otherwise, I do question whether or not Williams is actually willing to give up Hudson for Dunn. If he is, in fact, willing to give up Viciedo, then I'd say it's very possible, and maybe even likely that the two sides will be able to come to some sort of agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 03:04 PM) It's one thing to give Ozzie the type of team he wants and let him manage the team the way he wants. It's another thing to give Ozzie the benefit of the doubt on the make-up of a roster that you as a GM clearly see has a gaping hole. Now we need to plug it by giving up top prospects and perhaps a player that will be extremely needed to make a playoff push (Hudson)? If we're going to have to do the old spinning wheel for a 5th starter and basically lose every 5th day, then there is no point in upgrading the offense. I imagine that if the Sox do deal Hudson, it's because they feel that Carlos Torres can be an acceptable 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 03:04 PM) It's one thing to give Ozzie the type of team he wants and let him manage the team the way he wants. It's another thing to give Ozzie the benefit of the doubt on the make-up of a roster that you as a GM clearly see has a gaping hole. Now we need to plug it by giving up top prospects and perhaps a player that will be extremely needed to make a playoff push (Hudson)? If we're going to have to do the old spinning wheel for a 5th starter and basically lose every 5th day, then there is no point in upgrading the offense. I think thats why many on this board are so reluctant to make such a deal. It was obvious in the spring that we were missing a DH and short a bat. That hole was easier and certainly a lot cheaper (in terms of talent) to acquire back then. Now to fill it we have to give up valuable pieces of the future when it shouldn't have been necessary. It is frustrating to try and make up for mistakes and a very tough decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 KW WONT trade Hudson AND Viciedo for Dunn. It will be one or the other. If Rizzo asking price doesn't come down, I can actually see KW getting creative to aqcuire Fielder with Milwaukee throwing some us some cash. There was a Milwaukee scout at the Sox-Mariner game watching Hudson last night. Milwaukee is desperate for a potential #2-3 starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 05:50 PM) with Milwaukee throwing some us some cash. Now that I can't imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 04:52 PM) Now that I can't imagine. You don't think they will throw in $4 mill for 2011? I know its far fetched for a team like Milwaukee to do so. . . but a Hudson/Viciedo centered package is pretty damn solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 06:01 PM) You don't think they will throw in $4 mill for 2011? I know its far fetched for a team like Milwaukee to do so. . . but a Hudson/Viciedo centered package is pretty damn solid. Really, I think the Brewers would expect to significantly beat that package, in addition to not taking on salary, in a Fielder trade. I don't think the Sox could do it without starting at Beckham +. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Kenny isn't trading Viciedo and Hudson for Dunn or anyone else. Kenny isn't trading Hudson period. It doesn't make sense. You don't need to worry, and hope it doesn't happen. It won't happen. Sure, that Nationals would like that and their GM asked for that. Same guy who asked for Beckham. He hoped he could get Beckham for a 3 month rental. Beyond silly. We wouldn't trade Beckham for Dunn and Willingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I keep thinking, who is our 5th starter going to be for the rest of the year, and who's to say Peavy is fully healthy next year? Sorry, I just like Hudson a lot, even more than I did BMac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Carlos Torres will be our 5th starter an hour after Hudson gets moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 06:36 PM) Carlos Torres will be our 5th starter an hour after Hudson gets moved. Carlos Torres walks the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 07:38 PM) Carlos Torres walks the world. I didn't say it should happen, i just said it would. I think Torres could hold down the fort at the 5 as long as Garcia doesn't slip up at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 11:49 PM) I keep thinking, who is our 5th starter going to be for the rest of the year, and who's to say Peavy is fully healthy next year? Sorry, I just like Hudson a lot, even more than I did BMac I hope so, BMac's a bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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