Adam Dunn Trade rumor thread

[chw42]

The Sox have a huge chip in Santos if they can jump into this deal. With that bullpen that Arizona has, Santos would be very valuable to them.

 

Out of Santos, Beckham, and Hudson, Sergio is by far the most expendable because of our bullpen depth.

Edited July 26, 2010 by chw42

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

The last time Tony Pena started a game at any level, Carl Everett was the starting DH for a World Series winning team.

 

Tony Pena is not a starting pitcher on this team, he is the swingman, and he will remain that for the rest of the season as there is no time to stretch his arm out to be able to throw even 80 pitches, let alone 100 or so. Carlos Torres would be his replacement. He might not be the worst 5th starter the White Sox have ever had, but he is not a desirable option to say the least. His major league equivalent FIP is 4.94, which could lead him anywhere from a 4.50 to a 5.50 ERA. As stated, that wouldn't be the worst 5th starter ever, but on this club, it would not be desirable. Hudson's 4.51 FIP translates to the majors much better, and he is a much better looking pitcher than Torres or any other replacement from within the system.

 

The reason I didn't say Torres is because I had him included in the hypothetical trade of Hudson + Torres for Dunn in the 3 way trade. With Hudson and Torres gone, I would rather have Tony Pena throw 4-5 innings for us and Linebrink/Sale back him up for 2-3 innings then throw someone like Jeff Marquez or Lucas Harrell up there to pitch.

[BigSqwert]

The Sox have a huge chip in Santos if they can jump into this deal. With that bullpen that Arizona has, Santos would be very valuable to them.

 

Out of Santos, Beckham, and Hudson, Sergio is by far the most expendable because of our bullpen depth.

That pen takes a huge nose dive after we lose him and Liney, Pena, and Threets need to throw more innings.

[chw42]

That pen takes a huge nose dive after we lose him and Liney, Pena, and Threets need to throw more innings.

 

Sergio's recent contribution to this bullpen = meh.

 

This bullpen thrives because of Putz and Thornton. As long as those two are here, it's fine. If Jenks comes back to form like I think he will, you won't even notice Santos missing a majority of the time.

 

We've been too spoiled by our bullpen thus far.

[Dick Allen]

If you dealt Santos, you move Pena into his role and make Torres or someone like that the long man. Santos has a ton of potential but losing him this season really isn't a huge blow. He is rarely used in key situations.

[BigSqwert]

If you dealt Santos, you move Pena into his role and make Torres or someone like that the long man. Santos has a ton of potential but losing him this season really isn't a huge blow. He is rarely used in key situations.

I assumed he was being groomed to eventually be our closer. If he goes who closes for us next year?

[chw42]

I assumed he was being groomed to eventually be our closer. If he goes who closes for us next year?

 

You take that money you were going to give to Jenks and you give it to Putz.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

I assumed he was being groomed to eventually be our closer. If he goes who closes for us next year?

Thornton, maybe they re-sign Putz. With Sale being used in the bullpen, and Putz going in the 7th yesterday, it tells me the closer of the future right now is Thornton.

[BigSqwert]

You take that money you were going to give to Jenks and you give it to Putz.

Hmm. Sure you could do that but we're strapped for cash and I'd hate to invest millions in a closer when we could have one just as effective for peanuts.

Edited July 26, 2010 by BigSqwert

[justBLAZE]

Rosenthal pretty much shutting down the 3 way trade.

[chw42]

Hmm. Sure you could do that but we're strapped for cash and I'd hate to invest millions in a closer when we could have one just as effective for peanuts.

 

We've been giving money to the closer for the past two years. I think we can afford to invest some money in Putz. Plus, if you get to the ALCS somehow with Dunn, you make some nice revenue and the payroll will be a little more flexible next year.

[witesoxfan]

The reason I didn't say Torres is because I had him included in the hypothetical trade of Hudson + Torres for Dunn in the 3 way trade. With Hudson and Torres gone, I would rather have Tony Pena throw 4-5 innings for us and Linebrink/Sale back him up for 2-3 innings then throw someone like Jeff Marquez or Lucas Harrell up there to pitch.

 

If Torres had trade value, he would have almost certainly been dealt a long time ago. 27 year old pitchers who have mediocre control and less than spectacular stuff have little to no trade value whatsoever. He really doesn't offer anything unique or exciting, and his ceiling is more or less that of a 5th starter or long reliever in the major leagues. He offers little long-term value to any major league club, but does offer depth to the White Sox.

[chw42]

If Torres had trade value, he would have almost certainly been dealt a long time ago. 27 year old pitchers who have mediocre control and less than spectacular stuff have little to no trade value whatsoever. He really doesn't offer anything unique or exciting, and his ceiling is more or less that of a 5th starter or long reliever in the major leagues. He offers little long-term value to any major league club, but does offer depth to the White Sox.

 

Hey, he sounds like a younger version of Joe Saunders!

[AWhiteSoxinNJ]

Rosenthal pretty much shutting down the 3 way trade.

 

"For Now"

[Balta1701]

You take that money you were going to give to Jenks and you give it to Putz.

I don't think that'll be enough to keep Putz.

[chetkincaid]

I wish we could flip Jenks for some pitching prospects to send to Arizona to facilitate the 3 team trade and land us Dunn. Let Putz be the closer and bring up Sale and/or Torres.

 

If we win it all this year with Putz closing, he'll be more likely to re sign here in the off season.

Edited July 26, 2010 by Chet Kincaid

[chw42]

I don't think that'll be enough to keep Putz.

 

Give him 2 years and $18 million. I bet he stays. His best buddy's here.

[witesoxfan]

I wish we could flip Jenks for some pitching prospects to send to Arizona to facilitate the 3 team trade and land us Dunn. Let Putz be the closer and bring up Sale and/or Torres.

 

If we win it all this year with Putz closing, he'll be more likely to re sign here in the off season.

 

If the Sox win it all with Putz closing, I think that actually diminishes the odds of him coming back. He will be viewed as an elite closer again (for better or worse) and he could ultimately get a monstrous contract, perhaps even 3 years worth. I love Putz and what he's done, but I don't want to think of him in 3 years.

[Balta1701]

If the Sox win it all with Putz closing, I think that actually diminishes the odds of him coming back. He will be viewed as an elite closer again (for better or worse) and he could ultimately get a monstrous contract, perhaps even 3 years worth. I love Putz and what he's done, but I don't want to think of him in 3 years.

Someone's going to fire 3/$30 off on Putz this offseason unless he gets hurt or falls apart.

[chw42]

Someone's going to fire 3/$30 off on Putz this offseason unless he gets hurt or falls apart.

 

Makes me wish we could have put an option in that contract.

[Balta1701]

Makes me wish we could have put an option in that contract.

I doubt he would have signed with us if we did. His goal was to obvious...some money, contending team, iffy closer, gives him the spot to come in, start off setting up, prove he's healthy, steal the closer's role, and parlay that into the deal he would have gotten had it not been for the injury.

 

If nothing else, hopefully he's pitched himself at least to the point where we get a pick for him.

[chw42]

I doubt he would have signed with us if we did.

 

If nothing else, hopefully he's pitched himself at least to the point where we get a pick for him.

 

Really depends on the money involved on it.

[Balta1701]

Really depends on the money involved on it.

You probably could have offered him $6 million this year and attached a $10 million team option and he might have gone for that...but there was a reason why a guy like him would take a 1 year deal. He was fully expecting to come in, pitch his ass off, and have teams with bullpen weaknesses drooling over him in the offseason.

[chw42]

Since Washington really likes Jackson, maybe Kenny should try to get Jackson straight from Arizona and then flip him to Washington for Dunn.

 

After all, I would think that getting Jackson alone will be cheaper than getting Dunn. If you can't flip Jackson for Dunn, you get yourself a guy with a 4.3 FIP, which isn't the worst thing that can happen.

 

Jackson would then be the 4th or 5th starter on this team.

[BigSqwert]

Since Washington really likes Jackson, maybe Kenny should try to get Jackson straight from Arizona and then flip him to Washington for Dunn.

 

After all, I would think that getting Jackson alone will be cheaper than getting Dunn. If you can't flip Jackson for Dunn, you get yourself a guy with a 4.3 FIP, which isn't the worst thing that can happen.

 

Jackson would then be the 4th or 5th starter on this team.

I wouldn't be against this scenario.