Adam Dunn Trade rumor thread

[BigSqwert]

Good job Ozzie, not wanting Thome is still haunting us.

Yeah that killed us. I was all for going another route but they had no alternative plan in place.

[Steve9347]

Yeah that killed us. I was all for going another route but they had no alternative plan in place.

Uh... Mark Kotsay.

[caulfield12]

Yeah that killed us. I was all for going another route but they had no alternative plan in place.

 

I wonder how realistically KW thought acquiring Damon would be when they officially cut ties with Thome?

 

If he assumed that getting Damon with the numbers that were bandied about was going to happen, that was a pretty big miscalculation on his part. KW has come up short enough times with situations like Torii Hunter, Fukudome, trading for Miguel Cabrera....he had to have the sense that the Tigers or another team would probably outspend him in the end. Sure, the White Sox had the starting rotation, but it's not like Damon and Boras couldn't have just as easily reached the conclusion that Detroit would be equally as competitive, which they have been.

 

Nobody expected Boesch to come out of nowhere though...or Austin Jackson to play as well as he has, although he's fading offensively. Seems like every year they can produce a rookie like Raburn or Clete Thome who puts up an 800+ OPS, and now this year again, Boesch. We had four months of Beckham, which has been the biggest rookie contribution along with Josh Fields in 2007. Yikes.

 

 

[South Side Fireworks Man]

I'd only want Dunn if somehow we could guarantee that Ozzie would only play him on defense in an emergency...something I doubt we could trust Ozzie to do.

 

At any rate, if Dunn isn't serious about not wanting to be a DH, he'd fit in nicely on the Sox and I wouldn't mind if KW can get him for a package of Flowers, Torres and Rodriguez.

[Balta1701]

At any rate, if Dunn isn't serious about not wanting to be a DH, he'd fit in nicely on the Sox and I wouldn't mind if KW can get him for a package of Flowers, Torres and Rodriguez.

He can't.

[South Side Fireworks Man]

He can't.

Oh well.....

[Soxbadger]

What is the value of a playoff appearance?

 

My guess is in excess of $6mil.

 

Thus if Dunn = playoffs it doesnt matter what numbers you throw around, it will be a win for the Sox.

 

And Dunn > Thome, so if we had Thome we may never get Dunn.

 

Not to mention Thome is only playing part time and theres no way of knowing if those stats extrapolate to full time player.

[BigSqwert]

What is the value of a playoff appearance?

My guess is in excess of $6mil.

 

Thus if Dunn = playoffs it doesnt matter what numbers you throw around, it will be a win for the Sox.

 

And Dunn > Thome, so if we had Thome we may never get Dunn.

 

Not to mention Thome is only playing part time and theres no way of knowing if those stats extrapolate to full time player.

 

How does playoff TV revenue work? How much goes to the teams in the playoffs?

[chw42]

What is the value of a playoff appearance?

 

My guess is in excess of $6mil.

 

Thus if Dunn = playoffs it doesnt matter what numbers you throw around, it will be a win for the Sox.

 

And Dunn > Thome, so if we had Thome we may never get Dunn.

 

Not to mention Thome is only playing part time and theres no way of knowing if those stats extrapolate to full time player.

 

If we do make the playoffs, then yes, we do make a lot more extra revenue. But even with Dunn, that's nowhere near a guarantee.

 

Other than a left handed power bat, we really need another top of the order hitter. Either that or Gordon Beckham comes back to life.

[iamshack]

What is the value of a playoff appearance?

 

My guess is in excess of $6mil.

 

Thus if Dunn = playoffs it doesnt matter what numbers you throw around, it will be a win for the Sox.

 

And Dunn > Thome, so if we had Thome we may never get Dunn.

 

Not to mention Thome is only playing part time and theres no way of knowing if those stats extrapolate to full time player.

 

Obviously it depends on how deep in the playoffs you go.

 

My guess is each game is worth $2-3 million in cash.

 

Not sure how the playoff media revenues work.

 

Then there is the additional season ticket sales you make the next year.

 

My guess is a playoff appearance can be worth upwards of $30-40 million if you win the whole thing. Maybe $6-10 million if you go out in the ALDS. Probably $14-20 Million if you go out in the ALCS. And $20-30 million if you lose in the World Series.

[Vance Law]

What is the value of a playoff appearance?

 

My guess is in excess of $6mil.

 

Thus if Dunn = playoffs it doesnt matter what numbers you throw around, it will be a win for the Sox.

 

And Dunn > Thome, so if we had Thome we may never get Dunn.

 

Not to mention Thome is only playing part time and theres no way of knowing if those stats extrapolate to full time player.

 

To be fair about this comparison- we could have had Thome for the entire season, not half. Paying Thome $1.5 rather than $6 mil, leaving money available to fill other needs. Playing part-time doesn't make it easier to hit, it makes it harder. Thome is doing what he has always done. There is little reasonable doubt that a platoon of Thome and Jones (or CQ w/Jones in RF) would have been great all year. Thome is destroying righties as expected. Putting up a 1.047 OPS.

 

edited for clarification

Edited June 29, 2010 by Vance Law

[Soxbadger]

There is never a guarantee of success. I just was merely pointing out that there is more to economics than win shares, etc. If you want to win now, you generally are going to overpay in terms of prospect talent.

 

(edit)

 

Expected 1.047 ops against righties?

 

2009 he hit .881 ops against righties.

 

2008 he hit .868 ops against righties.

 

Unless he found the fountain of of youth, no one expected him to get back to 2007 form especially because he seemed to be suffering from injuries last year.

Edited June 29, 2010 by Soxbadger

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

I'd only want Dunn if somehow we could guarantee that Ozzie would only play him on defense in an emergency...

 

 

Hope Alasey, Omar, Benditlike, Hawk or Southpaw don't break their legs anytime soon.

[JPN366]

I still say Hudson, Morel and Short.

[justBLAZE]

I'd keep Hudson simply because I don't think Sale will be a starter. He might be an option in the bullpen next year but Hudson could be a part of the rotation.

 

Give them Flowers, Morel + A prospect they like.

[Vance Law]

There is never a guarantee of success. I just was merely pointing out that there is more to economics than win shares, etc. If you want to win now, you generally are going to overpay in terms of prospect talent.

 

(edit)

 

Expected 1.047 ops against righties?

 

2009 he hit .881 ops against righties.

 

2008 he hit .868 ops against righties.

 

Unless he found the fountain of of youth, no one expected him to get back to 2007 form especially because he seemed to be suffering from injuries last year.

 

Ok then, does anyone expect Dunn to keep hitting .276 for the rest of the year? How about next year or the year after? Is he going to hit better coming over to the AL from the NL?

[JPN366]

I'd keep Hudson simply because I don't think Sale will be a starter. He might be an option in the bullpen next year but Hudson could be a part of the rotation.

 

Give them Flowers, Morel + A prospect they like.

 

If you think that way about Sale, then he's no different than another Aaron Poreda.

[JPN366]

Ok then, does anyone expect Dunn to keep hitting .276 for the rest of the year? How about next year or the year after? Is he going to hit better coming over to the AL from the NL?

 

I have a bad feeling that his power numbers are starting to decline.

[RockRaines]

If you think that way about Sale, then he's no different than another Aaron Poreda.

And he's an incredibly different and more advanced pitched than Poreda was.

[justBLAZE]

And he's an incredibly different and more advanced pitched than Poreda was.

 

Poreda is still stuck in the minor leagues, no doubt Sale is better, I just don't think he is a starter material.

[scenario]

And he's an incredibly different and more advanced pitched than Poreda was.

 

Kenny is already on the record as saying Sale's changeup is better than either Buehrle's or Danks' right now.

 

 

[SoxFan562004]

Ok then, does anyone expect Dunn to keep hitting .276 for the rest of the year? How about next year or the year after? Is he going to hit better coming over to the AL from the NL?

I doubt the White Sox are scouting/judging Adam Dunn on his BA, if they are they need to reconsider their philosophy. I would expect him to come over and OPS around .900 or an appropriate adjustment with his career 133 OPS+

[hi8is]

Damn - that's quite the complement for Sale!

[jenksycat]

If you think that way about Sale, then he's no different than another Aaron Poreda.

 

And Poreda got us Peavy

[SoxFan562004]

Damn - that's quite the complement for Sale!

it is the MLB draft, but many people I believe had him in the top 5 or at least 10, but there was signability and mechanical question marks