Greg Hibbard Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 For the first 378 ABs of his career, in 2009, Beckham hit .270/.347/.460/.807 For the first 254 ABs of his career, from 2000-2002, Joe Crede hit .276/.304/.469/.773 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For the 2003 season, through July 4th, Joe Crede hit .223/.266/.340/.606, bringing his career average down to around .249 through about 550 ABs. For the 2010 season, through June 29th, Beckham has hit .202/.268/.276/.544, bringing his career average down to around .243 through about 600 ABs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the second half of 2003, Joe Crede hit .308/.349/.543/.892... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Good stats. I don't understand how Beckham could be so great last year and so horrible this year. Seems odd that a guy can't buy a hit after stroking all those gappers last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 All I know is every once in a while I think Gordon has it figured out and than he goes right back into a tailspin where he has no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 It's great to see even with Beckham sucking, his OBP is still higher than Credes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 04:16 PM) All I know is every once in a while I think Gordon has it figured out and than he goes right back into a tailspin where he has no chance. This. I can't believe how many times I've thought "Alright, looks like hes figuring it out," and then bam, he goes 0-4 with 3 K's and a popout to short.. Come on Bacon! WE NEED YOU! Edited June 29, 2010 by TitoMB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) This. I can't believe how many times I've thought "Alright, looks like hes figuring it out," and then bam, he goes 0-4 with 3 K's and a popout to short.. Come on Bacon! WE NEED YOU! Couldn't agree more. I saw a few at bats in the Cubs series where he was the old Gordon and just reacting to the ball minus the robotic swing..I am hoping we all can direct our consciousness to the OLD GB..... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 (edited) I really think it's all mental with Gordon, which is the scary part. It's one thing to have a swing flaw, you can just fix that once you find it. But if it is indeed mental, you wonder about his ability to recover. Gordon wouldn't be the first superprospect to lose it mentally and never find it again. Edited June 30, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I don't know weather to be happy or sad with those stats. You're pointing out the Bacon has a chance to have a gang buster 2nd half, which is good. OTOH you're comparing him to Joe Crede which in and of itself is not a bad thing. Many of us were hoping he had a higher ceiling and every game he doesn't hit makes us wonder if he'll ever be even as good as Crede. God, I hate sophomore slumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) Since May 22nd, Beckham is 27/109 (.248/.261/.431/.692) with 7 doubles, 1 triple and 1 homer. Not entirely horrible...for all the hemming and hawing about him seemingly having it and losing it, that resembles an actual major league line for a little over a month. Edited July 1, 2010 by Greg Hibbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 11:12 AM) Since May 22nd, Beckham is 27/109 (.248/.261/.431/.692) with 7 doubles, 1 triple and 1 homer. Not entirely horrible...for all the hemming and hawing about him seemingly having it and losing it, that resembles an actual major league line for a little over a month. He's not really walking anymore at all, which frightens me a bit. Not sure how much of that is the pitchers going right at him and he just isn't punishing them for it, or if he has indeed been swinging at everything even marginally close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 12:33 PM) He's not really walking anymore at all, which frightens me a bit. Not sure how much of that is the pitchers going right at him and he just isn't punishing them for it, or if he has indeed been swinging at everything even marginally close. O-Swing% and O-Contact% track pitches swung at and contacted outside of the strike zone Beckham's O-Swing% 2009 - 24.7% (LgAvg 25.1%) Beckhams's O-Swing% 2010 - 30.9% (LgAvg 28.5%) Beckham's O-Contact% 2009 - 59.3% (LgAvg 61.7%) Beckham's O-Contact% 2010 - 60.3% (LgAvg 66.5%) He's swinging at more bad pitches this year, and making contact with them at roughly the same percentage. He's still swinging at pitches in the zone, but he's overall just swinging more often than he did last year too (he swung 47% of the time last year, opposed to 49.2% this year). His approach at the plate this year has most definitely become worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 12:12 PM) Since May 22nd, Beckham is 27/109 (.248/.261/.431/.692) with 7 doubles, 1 triple and 1 homer. Not entirely horrible...for all the hemming and hawing about him seemingly having it and losing it, that resembles an actual major league line for a little over a month. A .261 on base, particularly when paired with a .248 average, doesn't really resemble a major leaguer IMO. Edited July 1, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) A .261 on base, particularly when paired with a .248 average, doesn't really resemble a major leaguer IMO. You got something against Juan Uribe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 01:48 PM) You got something against Juan Uribe? I have something against anybody with numbers like those. Although, in Juan's defense, his offense has been pretty good in SF. He was .289/.329/.495/.824 in that mammouth park last year. And even more amazingly at least in terms of OBP, he's at .266/.336/.467/.803 so far this year. He already has 27 walks, just 7 shy of his career high. Edited July 1, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) A .261 on base, particularly when paired with a .248 average, doesn't really resemble a major leaguer IMO. Forgetting about expectations and skill sets, a .692 OPS isn't disasterous for an infielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 02:25 PM) Forgetting about expectations and skill sets, a .692 OPS isn't disasterous for an infielder. No, but a .261 on base for a guy expected to hit 2nd is. Heck, that's a disaster for anyone though. Edited July 1, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 12:12 PM) Since May 22nd, Beckham is 27/109 (.248/.261/.431/.692) with 7 doubles, 1 triple and 1 homer. Not entirely horrible...for all the hemming and hawing about him seemingly having it and losing it, that resembles an actual major league line for a little over a month. I feel as though I'm missing something here, using his BR gamelog Beckham is 27/112 with a .241/.263/.348/.611 line with 7 doubles, a triple and a HR since June 22nd. Just to prove it out: 27 H - 9 XBH = 18 TB 7 doubles x 2 = 14 TB 1 triple x 3 = 3 TB 1 HR x 4 = 4 TB 18+14+3+4= 39 TB 39 TB / 112 AB = .348 SLG even if it were 109 AB: 39 TB / 109 AB = .358 SLG Your slugging percentage is off by nearly 100 points. EDIT: oh and his K:BB since May 22nd: 19:2. That's outrageously bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 1, 2010 Author Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 02:38 PM) I feel as though I'm missing something here, using his BR gamelog Beckham is 27/112 with a .241/.263/.348/.611 line with 7 doubles, a triple and a HR since June 22nd. Just to prove it out: 27 H - 9 XBH = 18 TB 7 doubles x 2 = 14 TB 1 triple x 3 = 3 TB 1 HR x 4 = 4 TB 18+14+3+4= 39 TB 39 TB / 112 AB = .348 SLG even if it were 109 AB: 39 TB / 109 AB = .358 SLG Your slugging percentage is off by nearly 100 points. EDIT: oh and his K:BB since May 22nd: 19:2. That's outrageously bad. This seems correct. I must have had an addition error in calculating my slugging totals. Edited July 1, 2010 by Greg Hibbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 He had trouble making adjustments after the league adjusted to him near the end of last season. They started pitching him up, and then low and away. He chased both, and constantly fell behind 1-2 or 0-2. He seems a little better lately and of course still has the potential to be solid. Maybe he needed these growing pains , a little lesson in humility can make one more humble and determined. I'm pulling for him as all sox players, but he may still end up in the minors. He has to get close to .250 and play solid defense before he is my regular second baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 01:46 PM) O-Swing% and O-Contact% track pitches swung at and contacted outside of the strike zone Beckham's O-Swing% 2009 - 24.7% (LgAvg 25.1%) Beckhams's O-Swing% 2010 - 30.9% (LgAvg 28.5%) Beckham's O-Contact% 2009 - 59.3% (LgAvg 61.7%) Beckham's O-Contact% 2010 - 60.3% (LgAvg 66.5%) He's swinging at more bad pitches this year, and making contact with them at roughly the same percentage. He's still swinging at pitches in the zone, but he's overall just swinging more often than he did last year too (he swung 47% of the time last year, opposed to 49.2% this year). His approach at the plate this year has most definitely become worse. Greg Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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