Greg Hibbard Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Something that fills me with a lot of apprehension...the White Sox under Ozzie Guillen are are 345-229 (.601) as a first half team, and 214-232 (.480) as a second half team. That seems like a huge disparity. Here's the breakdown: 2004 46-38 37-41 2005 57-29 42-34 2006 57-31 33-41 2007 39-47 33-43 2008 54-41 35-33 2009 45-43 34-40 I was surprised to learn that during the final four seasons under Jerry Manuel, the White Sox were an above-.500 team in the second half of every season. 2000 55-32 40-35 2001 41-44 42-35 2002 42-46 39-35 2003 45-49 41-27 Is there something about Ozzie's managing style, or the organizational approach in general that lends itself to first half success, and not second half success? It seems odd that over six seasons he's never had a better second half than first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Scott Linebrink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I blame it all on the LaRocheFactor. Well, in all honesty, that 2005 team, they simply HAD to cool off a bit, it happened the same way with the 2000 team as well when injuries started to take their toll. Another reason would be playing most or all of the interleague games in the first half. 2006, same thing, the injuries and wear-and-tear on the pitching staff started to show in the second half of the season. Not to mention the White Sox have had older, more veteran teams that were susceptible to wearing down in the Chicago summers. Finally, Manuel didn't do such a great job in 2003, they still faded down the stretch when it really counted and the Twins blew past them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 02:56 PM) I blame it all on the LaRocheFactor. Well, in all honesty, that 2005 team, they simply HAD to cool off a bit, it happened the same way with the 2000 team as well when injuries started to take their toll. Another reason would be playing most or all of the interleague games in the first half. 2006, same thing, the injuries and wear-and-tear on the pitching staff started to show in the second half of the season. Not to mention the White Sox have had older, more veteran teams that were susceptible to wearing down in the Chicago summers. Finally, Manuel didn't do such a great job in 2003, they still faded down the stretch when it really counted and the Twins blew past them. Taking out the interleague games, the Sox have a .566 winning pct against the AL in first halves during guillen's tenure, and .480 during 2nd halves. Still seems like a huge difference, and still no 2nd half is better than its corresponding 1st. I agree that they have had some players prone to breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 I don't know of any easy way to compile this, but is it possible to look at first/second half pitching and first/second half run production stats? I'm wondering if there's an "overworked pitcher" effect somewhere buried in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) I don't know of any easy way to compile this, but is it possible to look at first/second half pitching and first/second half run production stats? I'm wondering if there's an "overworked pitcher" effect somewhere buried in there. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/sp...W&year=2009 http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/sp...W&year=2009 as I said earlier today, b-r is f***ing amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 04:35 PM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/sp...W&year=2009 http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/sp...W&year=2009 as I said earlier today, b-r is f***ing amazing I know those are there, I just didn't have the time to spend compiling 7 years worth of team splits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) I don't know of any easy way to compile this, but is it possible to look at first/second half pitching and first/second half run production stats? I'm wondering if there's an "overworked pitcher" effect somewhere buried in there. Team ERA Pre Post 2004 4.59 5.26 2005 3.62 3.60 2006 4.44 4.82 2007 4.58 4.98 2008 3.55 4.77 2009 4.16 4.13 Runs Scored/Runs Allowed by Half Pre Post 2004 462/403 403/428 2005 413/339 328/306 2006 520/415 348/379 2007 354/420 339/419 2008 465/383 346/346 2009 407/405 317/327 OPS by Half Pre Post 2004 .812 .765 2005 .743 .752 2006 .829 .778 2007 .697 .750 2008 .779 .781 2009 .755 .723 Edited June 30, 2010 by Greg Hibbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) as I said earlier today, b-r is f***ing amazing Well your f***ing not amazing so there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 03:39 PM) Well your f***ing not amazing so there. I will contest this argument until the very end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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