July White Sox Catch-All Thread

[Balta1701]

Kieth Law ws tweeting that Vizquel was nowhere near the SS Jeter is/was. I unfollowed him.

Please tell me he doesn't have an HOF vote.

[chw42]

It was nice to see a sellout yesterday. We need more on this homestand.

[chw42]

Kieth Law ws tweeting that Vizquel was nowhere near the SS Jeter is/was. I unfollowed him.

 

HUH?

 

Jeter's had one, count 'em, one good year defensively at shortstop. Omar Vizquel has had countless seasons where he was absolutely brilliant there. Sure, he's not the same guy anymore, but Derek Jeter's always been the poster child of overrated defense. I would think a guy like Law, who does look at advanced stats, would actually understand that.

[chw42]

Erik Manning's take: http://palehosepariah.wordpress.com/2010/0...-hall-of-famer/

 

He writes a nice little sabr blog on the Sox BTW, also used to write for FanGraphs.

 

I'm kind of on the ledge about Omar and the hall. I think he will get in because of the gold gloves, but whether or not he deserves it...I don't know.

 

Defense is one thing, but offense is another. Vizquel was never a very good offensive player. He was always average to below average, but since he played SS and played great defense there, below average offense was more than acceptable.

Edited July 27, 2010 by chw42

[chw42]

Danks has a slight chance at the Cy Young. Not saying he really deserves it per say (Cliff Lee should definitely get it), but the writers who vote for these things don't always pick the best pitcher.

 

ZiPS RoS has Danks going 6-4 for the rest of the season. They also have him posting a 3.89 ERA. Even if Danks posts that for his next 13 starts, his ERA ends up at 3.48.

 

If Danks goes 6-4, he's going to have 17 wins on the year. If he maintains a ERA around the 3.2-3.3 range, there's a good chance he could get top 5 consideration along with guys like Price, Buchholz, Sabathia, Lee, and Lester. In order for him to win it, he'd need all of those guys to fail really badly.

Edited July 27, 2010 by chw42

[witesoxfan]

Danks has a slight chance at the Cy Young. Not saying he really deserves it per say (Cliff Lee should definitely get it), but the writers who vote for these things don't always pick the best pitcher.

 

ZiPS RoS has Danks going 6-4 for the rest of the season. They also have him posting a 3.89 ERA. Even if Danks posts that for his next 13 starts, his ERA ends up at 3.48.

 

If Danks goes 6-4, he's going to have 17 wins on the year. If he maintains a ERA around the 3.2-3.3 range, there's a good chance he could get top 5 consideration along with guys like Price, Buchholz, Sabathia, Lee, and Lester. In order for him to win it, he'd need all of those guys to fail really badly.

 

Or he'd need to pitch his ass off, ala Santana from like 04. If he goes all Josh Johnson on the AL from here on out, and lowers his ERA to about 2.75, and wins 18 or so games, he's probably got it in the bag.

 

I'm not going to count on that though.

[chw42]

Or he'd need to pitch his ass off, ala Santana from like 04. If he goes all Josh Johnson on the AL from here on out, and lowers his ERA to about 2.75, and wins 18 or so games, he's probably got it in the bag.

 

I'm not going to count on that though.

 

I'll take what you said.

[balfanman]

Erik Manning's take: http://palehosepariah.wordpress.com/2010/0...-hall-of-famer/

 

He writes a nice little sabr blog on the Sox BTW, also used to write for FanGraphs.

 

I'm kind of on the ledge about Omar and the hall. I think he will get in because of the gold gloves, but whether or not he deserves it...I don't know.

 

Defense is one thing, but offense is another. Vizquel was never a very good offensive player. He was always average to below average, but since he played SS and played great defense there, below average offense was more than acceptable.

 

I thought that Visquel had several pretty good offensive years with Cleveland. I know that he won't get into the Hall on his offensive prowess alone, but I thought that he was above average.

[chw42]

I thought that Visquel had several pretty good offensive years with Cleveland. I know that he won't get into the Hall on his offensive prowess alone, but I thought that he was above average.

 

He was pretty good for a couple of years. But for the majority of his career, he's been very mediocre.

[LittleHurt05]

I thought that Visquel had several pretty good offensive years with Cleveland. I know that he won't get into the Hall on his offensive prowess alone, but I thought that he was above average.

 

I know OPS is not the top stat to judge hitters by, but Vizquel has only had two seasons of an OPS+ above 100 (110 in '99 & 104 in '02), which would make him barely average at best. Then again, Ozzie Smith only had 4 such seasons.

 

Edit: 1999 was the only year Vizquel hit over .300 (.333) & 2002 was the only time he hit double digit homers (14).

Edited July 27, 2010 by LittleHurt05

[Brian]

Please tell me he doesn't have an HOF vote.

 

I think he does and he said he wouldn't vote Omar first ballot. But he may have been hypothetically saying that.

[chw42]

I think he does and he said he wouldn't vote Omar first ballot. But he may have been hypothetically saying that.

 

Enough people will. He has legitimate reasons for not voting Omar in, but saying that Jeter was a better shortstop defensively just made me do a double take.

[fathom]

BTW, looks like we'll miss Verlander in Detroit next week!

[justBLAZE]

BTW, looks like we'll miss Verlander in Detroit next week!

 

Is it a double header on the 4th or 4 game series starting the 3rd ?

[Springfield Soxfan]

I like the fact that Omar is pushing the Sox to go for it this year with his comments about trades!!

[witesoxfan]

I like the fact that Omar is pushing the Sox to go for it this year with his comments about trades!!

 

Dude's never won a World Series title...I'm sure he'd like to get one, so it makes sense that he would.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Fangraphs showing Alexei some love: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/t...her-ss-ramirez/

[chw42]

Fangraphs showing Alexei some love: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/t...her-ss-ramirez/

 

It was about time.

[Jordan4life_2007]

It was about time.

 

I really love that site. They cover every team and just about every player. When I first discovered them I just automatically assumed it would be 85% Yankees/Red Sox.

[Quin]

Keith Law is an idiot.

 

Omar Vizquel is possibly the best fielding SS ever.

[RME JICO]

Has a team ever won a Division with a losing Divisional record?

[Buehrle>Wood]

Padres won at 82-80. Believe that is the worst.

[hogan873]

Teahen Burns Kotsay's Bats

 

I hope this guy plays better than he did before getting hurt. Sounds like a great clubhouse guy.

Edited July 29, 2010 by pittshoganerkoff

[Harry Chappas]

Teahen Burns Kotsay's Bats

 

I hope this guy plays better than he did before getting hurt. Sounds like a great clubhouse guy.

 

This was on CTL the other day. Kotsay had no clue they were doing it. Pretty classic.

[RME JICO]

Padres won at 82-80. Believe that is the worst.

I was thinking Divisional Record. Right now the Sox are 17-20 in the Central and are in 1st. That would be weird to win your division while having a losing record against them.