Peavy Done for Year; Marquez Up

[RockRaines]

I guess I am not fooled by the big name. I don't see any evidence of him being an emotional leader. He may fire himself up but that's it

Not really sure what fooled by the big name means, if by fooled by the most talented arm in our rotation is what you mean, then it makes more sense. And take a look at quotes from the entire season, players, coaching staff, FO, about how influential Peavy is to the mental state of the team. Its a huge loss, and if downplaying it makes you feel better, than have at it.

[Chisoxfn]

Peavy has made 16 starts (I'll exclude this 17th one from Tues). The White Sox are 8-8 in those starts. I'd say Peavy is even a bit lucky that the Sox are playing .500 ball in his starts as he's put up a 4.63 ERA. You can decide to look at this a million different ways. The Sox have won 37 games in which Peavy did not play, and all of 8 games in which he did. In two of those games, the Sox won when he gave up 7 and 5 runs. Peavy has the worst ERA of our 5 starters. He trails the team with 8 quality starts.

 

All of these things point to the Sox should be able to continue to contend just fine with Hudson (it wouldn't shock me if he bested Peavy's 4.63 ERA). No doubt, a dominant Peavy (as he's been in some, but not most of his starts) is a huge boost, but I'm definitely in the camp that says pick up a good lefty bat and let Hudson pitch. The team is rolling right now. 23 of 29.

Peavy pitched far better than the numbers, had been coming on strong, and was expected to have a slow start due to the fact that he hadn't pitched much over the past year and a half. This injury was a big loss. We built our team around pitching and who knows if our pitching will hold up. Do we have the ponies and do we have depth, certainly, but this was a huge loss.

 

Especially when you can state that we hadn't even seen the best of Peavy yet (when he goes on a roll, he's fun to watch).

[RockRaines]

Peavy pitched far better than the numbers, had been coming on strong, and was expected to have a slow start due to the fact that he hadn't pitched much over the past year and a half. This injury was a big loss. We built our team around pitching and who knows if our pitching will hold up. Do we have the ponies and do we have depth, certainly, but this was a huge loss.

 

Especially when you can state that we hadn't even seen the best of Peavy yet (when he goes on a roll, he's fun to watch).

I'll argue he was on said roll when he went down. In fact his last pitch this season was a great pitch with movement and velocity. He was cruising.

[fathom]

I'll argue he was on said roll when he went down. In fact his last pitch this season was a great pitch with movement and velocity. He was cruising.

 

Yeah, he was throwing as good as he had all season. We're one more injury away from really being in trouble now, it seems.

[Chisoxfn]

I'll argue he was on said roll when he went down. In fact his last pitch this season was a great pitch with movement and velocity. He was cruising.

I'd agree. It looked like we were seeing Peavy go on one of his vaunted runs. He was what, 4-1 with a sub 2.5 ERA in his last 5 games or something like that?

[dyuen]

Not really sure what fooled by the big name means, if by fooled by the most talented arm in our rotation is what you mean, then it makes more sense. And take a look at quotes from the entire season, players, coaching staff, FO, about how influential Peavy is to the mental state of the team. Its a huge loss, and if downplaying it makes you feel better, than have at it.

Not downplaying it at all. I have the opinion that I don't think its a big loss. You have a different opinion. That doesn't make you right and mean I am trying to downplay something. Had Hudson been in the rotation the first half instead of Peavy I don't think our record would be any different. If you think an emotional leader is worth 16M than so be it.

[StrangeSox]

I'd agree. It looked like we were seeing Peavy go on one of his vaunted runs. He was what, 4-1 with a sub 2.5 ERA in his last 5 games or something like that?

Lowest ERA in the AL in June I'm pretty sure.

[StrangeSox]

Not downplaying it at all. I have the opinion that I don't think its a big loss. You have a different opinion. That doesn't make you right and mean I am trying to downplay something. Had Hudson been in the rotation the first half instead of Peavy I don't think our record would be any different. If you think an emotional leader is worth 16M than so be it.

 

Peavy was awful for the first couple of months, but returned to being dominant in June. You can't just look at his entire season record and say "no big loss". Most of the pitchers on this staff are garbage if you're going by that metric, and we should be glad Quentin's been out of the lineup.

[dyuen]

Peavy was awful for the first couple of months, but returned to being dominant in June. You can't just look at his entire season record and say "no big loss". Most of the pitchers on this staff are garbage if you're going by that metric, and we should be glad Quentin's been out of the lineup.

And a lot of pitchers have had dominant runs too. Overall he has been great and he has been terrible. I never said I was glad he was gone and I never said it wasn't a loss. Its just a loss that the team can overcome because they have a suitable replacement. Losing a bat would be far more devistating.

[witesoxfan]

Jesus, what is with the thought of the Sox adding a big name pitcher? If the Sox add another starting pitcher to the bunch, it's not going to be Haren or Oswalt or Lee, it's either going to be a low-cost, innings eater of a pitcher or a diamond in the rough kind of guy. Ben Sheets or Jeremy Guthrie or, s***, even Jake Westbrook. Williams understands that the Sox biggest weakness is the offense, and that spending an extraordinary amount on a starting pitcher when the Sox 1-2-3 is perfectly fine is dumb.

[RockRaines]

Not downplaying it at all. I have the opinion that I don't think its a big loss. You have a different opinion. That doesn't make you right and mean I am trying to downplay something. Had Hudson been in the rotation the first half instead of Peavy I don't think our record would be any different. If you think an emotional leader is worth 16M than so be it.

No, the best and most talented pitcher on our staff is worth that much. The leadership is a bonus.

[dyuen]

No, the best and most talented pitcher on our staff is worth that much. The leadership is a bonus.

He might be if he were the best and most talented pitcher and if he were actually pitching. Since he's not lets focus on who is here and the nice job Mr. Danks is doing today.

[RockRaines]

He might be if he were the best and most talented pitcher and if he were actually pitching. Since he's not lets focus on who is here and the nice job Mr. Danks is doing today.

He is. Only Cy Young winner on the staff with the best career numbers. He's the best, he's the Ace. Enjoy your denial.

[dyuen]

He is. Only Cy Young winner on the staff with the best career numbers. He's the best, he's the Ace. Enjoy your denial.

He is pitching? Where? On your Xbox?

 

Last I checked an ace should have an era below 4.50. If thats your definition of ace I would hate to hear who you think is an average pitcher. You can't possibly be ignorant enough to think all numbers are equal in different leagues and different parks. I will enjoy the rest of the season while you cry about the past.

[hi8is]

Larry Stone of the Seattle Times? hears rumblings that the White Sox, who just lost Jake Peavy to the DL, are at least 'kicking tires' on Lee. That would not be a surprise given Kenny Williams' track record.

[Kalapse]

Larry Stone of the Seattle Times? hears rumblings that the White Sox, who just lost Jake Peavy to the DL, are at least 'kicking tires' on Lee. That would not be a surprise given Kenny Williams' track record.

Such a trade would legitimately upset me.

[dyuen]

Such a trade would legitimately upset me.

I agree. The players we would have to give up for him would make no sense. No way could we get Lee and a stick.

[RockRaines]

He is pitching? Where? On your Xbox?

 

Last I checked an ace should have an era below 4.50. If thats your definition of ace I would hate to hear who you think is an average pitcher. You can't possibly be ignorant enough to think all numbers are equal in different leagues and different parks. I will enjoy the rest of the season while you cry about the past.

LOL. Yes, his ERA would have stayed that high, im sure you said that a month ago his ERA would stay where it was before it began its free fall. Keep calling me ignorant while posting total gibberish. Find one person who knows the game of baseball that wouldnt call Peavy an ace. There isnt one person on the Sox that would be on your side. Your opinion is your opinion, but its a terrible one.

 

And an FYI, I will be crying about it in my season tickets seats all weekend where I have been watching games since 2003. I have been one of the most positive fans on this board since I joined, you should really get to know who you are posting about before saying crap that is that far off base.

Edited July 8, 2010 by RockRaines

[iamshack]

Peavy was awful for the first couple of months, but returned to being dominant in June. You can't just look at his entire season record and say "no big loss". Most of the pitchers on this staff are garbage if you're going by that metric, and we should be glad Quentin's been out of the lineup.

Peavy dominated the likes of Cleveland, the Cubs twice, Washington and the Royals.

 

Yeah, the guy is a good pitcher and we're better with him healthy than injured.

 

Has he lived up to his billing? No. Has he been worth the money? No. Has he been worth the players we gave up? Hard to tell. Would I undo this trade if I could? You're damn right I would.

 

Now that doesn't mean I fault Kenny for making the trade, and I certainly understand no one could have predicted this (well, some actually did), but considering what Peavy has contributed thus far this season, I don't think there will be a big drop off when Hudson steps in.

 

Gotta side with Doc and VL on this one.

[RockRaines]

Peavy dominated the likes of Cleveland, the Cubs twice, Washington and the Royals.

 

Yeah, the guy is a good pitcher and we're better with him healthy than injured.

 

Has he lived up to his billing? No. Has he been worth the money? No. Has he been worth the players we gave up? Hard to tell. Would I undo this trade if I could? You're damn right I would.

 

Now that doesn't mean I fault Kenny for making the trade, and I certainly understand no one could have predicted this (well, some actually did), but considering what Peavy has contributed thus far this season, I don't think there will be a big drop off when Hudson steps in.

 

Gotta side with Doc and VL on this one.

He hasnt even pitched a whole season, what player would be worth the money when they are injured? He contributed dominant performances during our hot streak, just like the rest of the pitching staff that underperformed when Peavy did.

[RockRaines]

Funny how a few bad starts can all of a sudden make a guy not worth a contract, and also NOT an Ace. Last season he started 3 games and was as dominant as possible shutting out Detroit twice.

 

April 7.85 ERA 1.81 WHIP in 5 starts

May 5.09 ERA 1.11 WHIP. in 6 starts

June 1.75 ERA 0.92 WHIP in 5 starts

 

Notice a trend? After a mechanical flaw was corrected, he has been very good. Another month like June and his ERA is in the 3's. Funny how that works doesnt it? All signed pointed to continued performance until his damn muscle detached from his bone, he was throwing the ball extremely well when he went down.

Edited July 8, 2010 by RockRaines

[dyuen]

LOL. Yes, his ERA would have stayed that high, im sure you said that a month ago his ERA would stay where it was before it began its free fall. Keep calling me ignorant while posting total gibberish. Find one person who knows the game of baseball that wouldnt call Peavy an ace. There isnt one person on the Sox that would be on your side. Your opinion is your opinion, but its a terrible one.

 

And an FYI, I will be crying about it in my season tickets seats all weekend where I have been watching games since 2003. I have been one of the most positive fans on this board since I joined, you should really get to know who you are posting about before saying crap that is that far off base.

Ok lets go there. I will be cheering in my season tickets seats where I have been watching games since 1991 that I am fairly confident are better seats than yours. You posted the crap that I was in denial when I was trying to be positive about the future. I said multiple times that we can have different opinions and there is nothing wrong with that. Yet you started with the personal attacks. You think its a huge loss, I don't. After 84 games, with our without Peavy our record would be about the same. Whether a guy is the most talented or the best pitcher is a subjective matter and can't be ultimately determined as easily as you so seem to think it is. Forgive me if I didn't recognize that you are the smartest baseball fan in the world and your opinion is spot on all the time.

[iamshack]

He hasnt even pitched a whole season, what player would be worth the money when they are injured? He contributed dominant performances during our hot streak, just like the rest of the pitching staff that underperformed when Peavy did.

He wasn't worth the $400k a start he was making when he was pitching.

 

I want to like the guy as much as anyone, but from what I have seen, he's a product of an inferior league and Petco Park.

 

Is he still a good pitcher, yes.

 

Is he the ace I expected him to be in the 20 starts he has made for us? No.

 

You can defend him all you want, Rock, and that's your opinion and your right. But with all due respect, in my opinion, he has been extremely underwhelming to me.

 

I felt pretty similarly this year when Freddy was taking the mound for us as when Jake was.

[BearSox]

Peavy was pitching like the ace he was and is in June. No denying that. The fact that you are using 2 months when Peavy was in a slump to pretty much discredit him is silly.

[dyuen]

Funny how a few bad starts can all of a sudden make a guy not worth a contract, and also NOT an Ace. Last season he started 3 games and was as dominant as possible shutting out Detroit twice.

 

April 7.85 ERA 1.81 WHIP in 5 starts

May 5.09 ERA 1.11 WHIP. in 6 starts

June 1.75 ERA 0.92 WHIP in 5 starts

 

Notice a trend? After a mechanical flaw was corrected, he has been very good. Another month like June and his ERA is in the 3's. Funny how that works doesnt it? All signed pointed to continued performance until his damn muscle detached from his bone, he was throwing the ball extremely well when he went down.

What mechanical flaw was this? Please enlighten us.

Yes he has been very good. Yes he was throwing the ball very well. He also had some awful games. Everyone goes through streaks. Funny how a guy who has been here all of 20 starts is automatically declared the ace without having to back it up.

 

By the way as of last weekend, Danks was the team's choice to start game 1 of the playoffs, assuming they could set the rotation how they wanted.