JohnCangelosi Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Well, would you? Personally I think we put him back in there after the break and give him another chance at it...Omar shouldn't be playing everyday and I know he has been serviceable in the 2 hole but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I say it's too soon. Give him 10-14 games after the break to see if he truly has turned it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 He is not a 2 hitter. Leave him where he is. If gets and stays hot move him up to the 6th spot. He is a rbi man not a bat handler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Has he been better the last two weeks? Pardon me, I wasn't able to watch the last 5 games or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted July 12, 2010 Author Share Posted July 12, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 12, 2010 -> 06:28 AM) Has he been better the last two weeks? Pardon me, I wasn't able to watch the last 5 games or so It looks like to me he is coming out of it. 3 hits yesterday and we are seeing glimpses of last years Beckham in the past few games. I just don't like seeing Omar in the 2 hole getting all of those AB's now as an everyday player. We know GB has the potential and I think it is worth the risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGSOXFan14 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 We are doing just fine the way it has been going. If it aint broke, dont fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Too soon...if he's moved back at all. He seems to be getting his confidence back. Leave him where he is for a while, then maybe move him up, but not to the 2-spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I'd say its actually too late, as much as too soon. He's just now apparently coming out of his funk, so don't mess with him any more than necessary. Might have made sense a couple weeks ago as a way to change his approach, might make sense later if he really picks it up, but right now it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Not until he starts outhitting Omar Vizquel. He still has a ways to go. Beckham is stuck in that early mode that the whole team was in. He'd have a good game or a good AB and follow it up with a lot of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Beckham over-thinks things too much. The #2 spot would mess with him too much and give him too much pressure, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 12, 2010 -> 09:18 AM) Beckham over-thinks things too much. The #2 spot would mess with him too much and give him too much pressure, Agreed, keep him where he is comfortable right now. Vizquel has been in the 2 hole when he has been playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 12, 2010 -> 05:11 AM) Well, would you? Personally I think we put him back in there after the break and give him another chance at it...Omar shouldn't be playing everyday and I know he has been serviceable in the 2 hole but... Ramirez has been doing just fine in the 2 spot and one 3 hit game isn't going to force me to move Gordon. I want him to get comfortable and get his mojo back. He seems, based upon his quotes, to be feeling a bit better with where he is, but we will see. I think it says something that White Sox mgmt still wouldn't move Gordon for a guy like Lee even though Gordon has been in a massive funk. I think they, as do the Mariners (who asked for him) know the value Beckham can have for a club (if all goes well and I sure hope it does from here on out!!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 12, 2010 -> 08:28 AM) Has he been better the last two weeks? Pardon me, I wasn't able to watch the last 5 games or so In the last 14 days (9 games) he hit .333/.355/.533. He has 10 hits in those games, 4 for extra-bases (1 homer and 3 doubles). So, he is, at least, having a nice stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 If Beckham could just take a few more walks, he'd be well on his way back to a respectable OPS. He's hitting .250 since May 22nd, with 9 doubles, 1 triple and 2 homers, but he's only taken 2 walks while striking out 22 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 "You mean going from no production to production?" said Beckham with a wry smile of his .310 average in his final 12 games before the break, following Sunday's three-hit effort in a 15-5 victory over the Royals. "I'm going to hit and it was a matter of time trying to get a feel, and I've got that feel. That will carry over. It should help the offense and hopefully I can get back in there and do some damage." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Where he is batting now gives the Sox flexibility. Plus you don't mess with a winning hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 If Beckham started a sustained hitting tear like last season, I would actually hit him lead off, not #2. Pierre's bunting skills might be better used advancing Beckham on occasion, whereas I'd seldom want a hot-hitting Beckham to sacrifice. And if Pierre gets on with an out, his running threat should allow Rios to see more fastballs. (Frankly, if Beckham and Ramirez both got hot, I'd hit them at the top and Pierre #9.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I said "Yes", but only because if Beckham is in the 2-hole again, it means that he is back to his old self. As of now, no, he is not there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I think Alexi has shown he is our best option in the 2 hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 QUOTE (VAfan @ Jul 12, 2010 -> 10:26 PM) If Beckham started a sustained hitting tear like last season, I would actually hit him lead off, not #2. Pierre's bunting skills might be better used advancing Beckham on occasion, whereas I'd seldom want a hot-hitting Beckham to sacrifice. And if Pierre gets on with an out, his running threat should allow Rios to see more fastballs. (Frankly, if Beckham and Ramirez both got hot, I'd hit them at the top and Pierre #9.) What bunting skills for Pierre? He's the worst bunter I've seen on the Sox in forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Guys, let's be honest here. Our pitching is the reason for our 25-5 run. The offense has come alive a bit, but generally speaking the SP has been lights out. Our offense still leaves much to be desired. You know what you're going to get out of Omar in the 2 hole. A punch hitter that can bunt and hit about .240. If Becks is coming alive, which I believe he is, we need to get him back into this position. I realize he's sucked so far this year, he has been pathetic. But to me he has shown he is on his way out of this slump and is primed for a nice second half. Let's QUIT THE CONSERVATIVE mentality here we have. This is the SAME mentality we had last year about not bringing him up in the first place when we all know we would have wanted him to play all 162 games with the way he hit in 2009. Obviously, Ozzie doesn't have the balls to make this move, and not many on this forum would have the balls to either, because they don't want to take a risk. But let's be honest, do we want a 43 yr old in the 2 hole the rest of the way? Personally I don't - Omar has served us well but we cannot expect much more than a punching Judy with an average of .250 tops with very little extra base power in the 2 hole the rest of the way. And there is the chance he really struggles as the season progresses if we put him out there nearly everyday. We need more out of our Offense, and we cannot let GB hit .315 after the break in the 9 hole and never pull him out of it, like a lot of people would allow happen because they don't have the guts to make a change. I have a bad feeling we're going to let Gordo hit .300 + for 6 weeks or more in the 9 hole and no one is even going to notice and we won't have the nuts to make a change because "we don't want to risk it"... I say F&*K that, let's take the risk. Perhaps that's why I've been an entrepreneur my whole life but to me this just makes sense, going on nothing more than GUT FEEL. Who is with me?!?!??! There's my .02 cents P.S. Yes, I had a few drinks tonight, it's 3 AM in Europe right now :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 12, 2010 -> 09:48 PM) Guys, let's be honest here. Our pitching is the reason for our 25-5 run. The offense has come alive a bit, but generally speaking the SP has been lights out. Our offense still leaves much to be desired. You know what you're going to get out of Omar in the 2 hole. A punch hitter that can bunt and hit about .240. If Becks is coming alive, which I believe he is, we need to get him back into this position. I realize he's sucked so far this year, he has been pathetic. But to me he has shown he is on his way out of this slump and is primed for a nice second half. Let's QUIT THE CONSERVATIVE mentality here we have. This is the SAME mentality we had last year about not bringing him up in the first place when we all know we would have wanted him to play all 162 games with the way he hit in 2009. Obviously, Ozzie doesn't have the balls to make this move, and not many on this forum would have the balls to either, because they don't want to take a risk. But let's be honest, do we want a 43 yr old in the 2 hole the rest of the way? Personally I don't - Omar has served us well but we cannot expect much more than a punching Judy with an average of .250 tops with very little extra base power in the 2 hole the rest of the way. And there is the chance he really struggles as the season progresses if we put him out there nearly everyday. We need more out of our Offense, and we cannot let GB hit .315 after the break in the 9 hole and never pull him out of it, like a lot of people would allow happen because they don't have the guts to make a change. I have a bad feeling we're going to let Gordo hit .300 + for 6 weeks or more in the 9 hole and no one is even going to notice and we won't have the nuts to make a change because "we don't want to risk it"... I say F&*K that, let's take the risk. Perhaps that's why I've been an entrepreneur my whole life but to me this just makes sense, going on nothing more than GUT FEEL. Who is with me?!?!??! There's my .02 cents P.S. Yes, I had a few drinks tonight, it's 3 AM in Europe right now :-) i like the spirit, but i'm pretty sure ozzie wants him hitting high in the order just as bad as you do. He's a beckham guy just like us, and when he sees gordo complete his u-turn, he'll go back to his rightful spot in the order. i really doubt he goes long in the 9-hole if he's having success. not with the expectations this organization has for him. i mean, they coupd have had cliff lee for gordo and they said no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 2 weeks isn't enough to prove to me that Beckham is back and certainly not enough to throw him in the 2 hole again. Leave him where is and hope he's actually starting to get back on track as a major league player and not just having a hot 2 week stretch before he goes back into a funk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 In the short term, it doesn't matter where Beckham hits in the lineup. It mostly matters whether he hits when in the lineup. There will be time enough to move him if he regains his stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I don't think Gordon should go back to the 2 hole right now. His swing and at bats have looked immeasurably better lately, but I'll need to see more before I'm ready to hit him 2nd again. I will say that one thing he needs to go back to is "Your Love" as his at bat song though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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