T R U Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 lol at him needing to be "stretched out" He pitched what, 4 innings as a reliever after being a starter ALL SEASON for his college team this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 02:59 AM) Kid hasn't pitched one game in AAA yet and people are already wanting to slide him into our rotation in a pennant race (70+ pitches, 70-80 innings be damned) while the sox said all along they want to protect his arm since he pitched alot of stressful innings in college. (and I won't even go into the potential bust factor) Ridiculous. Hooray for rational thoughts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Are we promoting him for the sake of it or does he deserve it? I haven't been following what he has been doing thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 08:13 AM) Are we promoting him for the sake of it or does he deserve it? I haven't been following what he has been doing thus far. I think the organization feels that he may be good enough right now to be able to used competently as a situational lefty at the big league level. So, they are pushing him to see if that is the case and be ready for a possible August promotion. Especially since we've had Randy Williams and now Erik Threets, if we are unable to acquire a lefty reliever the thought is he already be our best in house option. What he wont be doing, at any level, is start. The organization feels he's already logged too many innings this year and would like to take it easy with him, hence why he'd be exclusively used as a 2nd lefty out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Here is my question... Let's say Erik Threets actually does well with the Sox (if he doesn't, this is a really easy equation). With Thornton and a solid Threets in the bullpen, do you leave Sale in AAA to develop for 2011? Or promote Sale anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 07:50 AM) Here is my question... Let's say Erik Threets actually does well with the Sox (if he doesn't, this is a really easy equation). With Thornton and a solid Threets in the bullpen, do you leave Sale in AAA to develop for 2011? Or promote Sale anyway? I think if Threets does well, then Sale will be stuck in AAA until September. However, when rosters expand and the Knights season ends, I see no reason not to bring up Sale to be strictly a LOOGY, assuming he has some success in AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 08:50 AM) Here is my question... Let's say Erik Threets actually does well with the Sox (if he doesn't, this is a really easy equation). With Thornton and a solid Threets in the bullpen, do you leave Sale in AAA to develop for 2011? Or promote Sale anyway? You leave him in Charlotte and call him up when rosters expand. Then we can see who does better between the two for if (when!) we make the playoffs. Edited July 14, 2010 by ChiSox_Sonix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 08:46 AM) You leave him in Charlotte and call him up when rosters expand. Then we can see who does better between the two for if (when!) we make the playoffs. I'm not so sure it works that way. Don't you have to be on the 25 man Roster at the end of August to be eligible for the playoffs (short of an injury)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 I'm ok with him being in the pen as a loogy, and also having the ability to mop up a few innings if a starter has a short game; like having a Pena from both sides. I just don't see 5th starter happening at all even if Hudson is traded. I still think that's Torres' job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 10:30 AM) I'm ok with him being in the pen as a loogy, and also having the ability to mop up a few innings if a starter has a short game; like having a Pena from both sides. I just don't see 5th starter happening at all even if Hudson is traded. I still think that's Torres' job. The idea of using Sale as a 5th starter this year is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 09:32 AM) The idea of using Sale as a 5th starter this year is terrible. I think the odds of that happening are extremely low. They're worried about his innings. But having him available as a reliever could be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 09:53 AM) I'm not so sure it works that way. Don't you have to be on the 25 man Roster at the end of August to be eligible for the playoffs (short of an injury)? Technically. But there are loopholes and ways around it so it really isnt an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 10:42 AM) I think the odds of that happening are extremely low. They're worried about his innings. But having him available as a reliever could be very interesting. Totally agree on that, our LH Relief has been too weak, if he can help with that I'm all for it and I'd burn an option for that. Next year though, Sale needs to be starting somewhere in the upper minors, AA or AAA, on the off chance that D1 is walking at the end of 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 09:42 AM) I think the odds of that happening are extremely low. They're worried about his innings. But having him available as a reliever could be very interesting. Bingo. Did anybody actually, you know, read the article in the first post of the thread? Because the below quote is taken directly from it. Because he threw over 100 innings during his junior season at FGCU -- during which he went 11-0 with a 2.01 ERA and 146 strikeouts against just 14 walks -- the Lakeland native will be used only in relief this season, no matter the level. End of discussion. Edited July 14, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 09:25 PM) Purely speculating here....but what if the Sox decide that now that Peavy is out for the year, The Sox will trade Hudson at the July 31st deadline for a bat, and then Sale will get promoted, and slide into the 5th spot on the rotation. I mean, our best minor league chip has got to be Hudson, and I would think that since Sale is projected to make it to the Sox in August anyway, they might have him be the 5th starter, and maybe just limit him to 70-80 pitches, and have Tony Pena piggyback his starts. So maybe Sale goes 4-5 innings each start, and then Pena covers the other 2-3 innings. Just an idea, but it seems that Hudson is out best chip to get a big bat. Quite frankly, he'd get absolutely destroyed starting at the major league level right now. His only shot is utilizing his top 2 pitches in a relief role and even that I feel is being incredibly gutsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 05:50 AM) Here is my question... Let's say Erik Threets actually does well with the Sox (if he doesn't, this is a really easy equation). With Thornton and a solid Threets in the bullpen, do you leave Sale in AAA to develop for 2011? Or promote Sale anyway? Sale stays in AAA, comes up in September, gets a little bit of a feel and than probably opens next year at Winston Salem in the rotation where he will have to work his way all the way back up (albeit, he might open the year in AA). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 10:58 AM) Quite frankly, he'd get absolutely destroyed starting at the major league level right now. His only shot is utilizing his top 2 pitches in a relief role and even that I feel is being incredibly gutsy. Yeah, i'm a little worried about the way we're handling him to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 11:05 AM) Yeah, i'm a little worried about the way we're handling him to be honest. I get the feeling there is something to this that ended up being the reason he signed with us. I really wonder if there was a deal in place for him to make himself fall to the Sox in exchange for them allowing to get the taste of the majors this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 12:22 PM) I get the feeling there is something to this that ended up being the reason he signed with us. I really wonder if there was a deal in place for him to make himself fall to the Sox in exchange for them allowing to get the taste of the majors this year. Oh I completely agree this that the scenario you paint is very possible, which is why i'm backing off from criticizing the organization to any extent for how this is all playing out. If such a deal was in place and helped you get a top 5 talent for a bargain price, it was worth doing IMO. I'm still curious as to how this will affect Sale's development long term though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 01:41 PM) Oh I completely agree this that the scenario you paint is very possible, which is why i'm backing off from criticizing the organization to any extent for how this is all playing out. If such a deal was in place and helped you get a top 5 talent for a bargain price, it was worth doing IMO. I'm still curious as to how this will affect Sale's development long term though. I don't worry about him switching from starting to relieving for the rest of the season, but I do worry what happens if he is lights out up here in the bullpen. Do we really send him back down to the mid minors to work his way up for a few years, mastering a third pitch? What if he plays a big role outa the bullpen down the stretch; do we just send him down and go with Threets next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) I don't worry about him switching from starting to relieving for the rest of the season, but I do worry what happens if he is lights out up here in the bullpen. Do we really send him back down to the mid minors to work his way up for a few years, mastering a third pitch? What if he plays a big role outa the bullpen down the stretch; do we just send him down and go with Threets next year? The only way I'd even consider keeping him in the bullpen long term is if over the offseason, D1 signed a contract extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 01:41 PM) Oh I completely agree this that the scenario you paint is very possible, which is why i'm backing off from criticizing the organization to any extent for how this is all playing out. If such a deal was in place and helped you get a top 5 talent for a bargain price, it was worth doing IMO. I'm still curious as to how this will affect Sale's development long term though. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Jack-McDowell.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 02:05 PM) The only way I'd even consider keeping him in the bullpen long term is if over the offseason, D1 signed a contract extension. Exactly, an abundance of quality pitching makes this easier. I don't see where else D1 would really wanna go outside of Texas; maybe he's always dreamed about the Yankees like alot of these guys? Didn't he leave Boras, and if he did, money isn't really driving him them. We have a good, young team; I just don't see Danks leaving this core. Unless he's just sick to death of 3 years of no run support costing him countless Ws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 03:37 PM) http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Jack-McDowell.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/millean01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 I just do not see anyway he gets placed on the 40 man roster and called up this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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