GREEDY Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 This deserves it's own thread. If Kotsay or Jones are in the lineup they need to be in RF ahead of Quentin. It is just that simple. Please Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 I don't know about Kotsay playing RF, but Jones definitely should be playing the field over Quentin if he's in the lineup. Like I said in the Catch-All, in a few years, Quentin is going to be as bad as Dye ever was in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Q's already worse than Dye out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 agreed. Q needs to DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Quentin shouldn't have been in the lineup yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 11:33 AM) Q's already worse than Dye out there. I think his speed advantage alone makes this untrue, but he's going to be just as bad very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 01:19 PM) I think his speed advantage alone makes this untrue, but he's going to be just as bad very soon. Dye was a decent outfielder in terms of running routes and getting good reads, he was just way too damn slow. Quentin's just a little bit faster, but he looks clueless on balls out there at times. Edited July 18, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 02:30 PM) Dye was a decent outfielder in terms of running routes and getting good reads, he was just way too damn slow. Quentin's just a little bit faster, but he looks clueless on balls out there at times. Yeah, and Dye had a pretty good glove too. It seems that whatever he could get to, he got. They seem pretty much equally bad in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted July 18, 2010 Author Share Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 02:30 PM) Quentin's just a little bit faster, but he looks clueless on balls out there at times. I will admit but TCQ's "awkwardness" has to lead to him "looking" like a worse defender than he really is BUT Jones and Kotsay are clearly the better defenders so they need to be out there and Carlos needs to DH. Edited July 18, 2010 by GREEDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 03:52 PM) I will admit but TCQ's "awkwardness" has to lead to him "looking" like a worse defender than he really is BUT Jones and Kotsay are clearly the better defenders so they need to be out there and Carlos needs to DH. I have to respectfully disagree. CQ is every bit as bad as he looks in RF. And I agree that he needs to DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 6 pages for the ghost of Jeremy Reed, and 9 posts for what is either a horrible managerial move or the front office telling Ozzie that TCQ needs to play in the field. Even if this is a slam dunk people should be upset with either Ozzie or KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Quentin will get injured doing anything and everything on the field. He steals a base, and he bruises his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I was about to write how the last time I checked Fangraphs Quentin had a way to go before matching Dye's UZR which was usually in the solid -20s, but I just checked for accuracy and CQ is a -30.9 for 2010 so far... ouch. It's not a full season, but that is worse than Dye has ever been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Dye was once a very good outfielder. He slowed later and that cost him but he was and probably still is better than CQ in the field. If CQ is DH then we have "swing for the fences with every swing" Jones in the batting order. Pick your poison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (since56 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 08:26 AM) Dye was once a very good outfielder. He slowed later and that cost him but he was and probably still is better than CQ in the field. If CQ is DH then we have "swing for the fences with every swing" Jones in the batting order. Pick your poison. Or you could have worded it: If CQ is RF then we have "swing for the fences with every swing" Jones or "shouldn't be playing more than once a week" Kotsay in the batting order. Pick your poison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 The question I inevitably ask every time this topic comes up is will there be a difference in Q's offensive performance based on whether he plays the field or not? We all know he is a horrendous OF. The question is not whether he should be playing the field, but rather, would there be an affect on his offense if he was not playing the field, and if so, what kind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 12:56 PM) The question I inevitably ask every time this topic comes up is will there be a difference in Q's offensive performance based on whether he plays the field or not? We all know he is a horrendous OF. The question is not whether he should be playing the field, but rather, would there be an affect on his offense if he was not playing the field, and if so, what kind? Doesn't it seem though that if anything is having an impact on his offense, it's the constant bumps and bruises he's suffering from playing in the outfield? It's a small sample size, but he was great as the DH against KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 07:56 AM) The question I inevitably ask every time this topic comes up is will there be a difference in Q's offensive performance based on whether he plays the field or not? We all know he is a horrendous OF. The question is not whether he should be playing the field, but rather, would there be an affect on his offense if he was not playing the field, and if so, what kind? I've heard it said that Quentin would have too much time to think about bad at bats sitting in the dugout while DHing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 07:58 AM) Doesn't it seem though that if anything is having an impact on his offense, it's the constant bumps and bruises he's suffering from playing in the outfield? It's a small sample size, but he was great as the DH against KC. I think he gets injured no matter what he does. He probably injures himself while sleeping with his wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 07:58 AM) I've heard it said that Quentin would have too much time to think about bad at bats sitting in the dugout while DHing. And if that is indeed the case, would his offense suffer enough to justify the downgrade he is defensively when he plays instead of Jones or Kotsay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 08:01 AM) And if that is indeed the case, would his offense suffer enough to justify the downgrade he is defensively when he plays instead of Jones or Kotsay? I don't know, but there's a good chance he becomes disgruntled if he's made to be the full time DH at such a young age. That would greatly diminish his worth, wouldn't it? And he hasn't had a chance to sign a big contract yet. Edited July 21, 2010 by Chet Kincaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I think it's safe to say what a lot of people have been thinking for a while now: Carlos Quentin is injury prone. We couldn't say it when he broke his wrist, but with the Plantar Fasciatis, quad/hamstring issues, and freak accidental injuries like hurting his hand sliding into a bag, he's injury prone. Whether you want to argue it being due to he's over-playing, or if he's unlucky, or if he's fragile, the end result is that he gets hurt quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 07:56 AM) The question I inevitably ask every time this topic comes up is will there be a difference in Q's offensive performance based on whether he plays the field or not? We all know he is a horrendous OF. The question is not whether he should be playing the field, but rather, would there be an affect on his offense if he was not playing the field, and if so, what kind? Hard to say. He has a career .832 OPS as a DH compared to a .844 OPS overall. Virtually no difference. But he's only had 84 ABs as a DH--so it's a very small sample size. He has a 1.148 OPS in 22 ABs as a pinch hitter (which I guess is kind of like DHing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 If he finishes the season strong offensively, it would be wise to think about trading him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Ozzie said Teahen is going to get some DH time when he comes back. Anyone still think the Sox really don't need a DH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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