shipps Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 01:41 PM) Will I ever see this lineup? LF - Pierre SS - A-Ram CF - Rios 1B - Konerko RF - Quentin C - AJP DH - Viciedo 2B - Beckham 3B - Vizquel I am with you on this 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) Jones has an OPS+ of 98 on the season and a .753 OPS. Against LH pitchers in particular, he has an .853 OPS. Furthermore, he's been a plus fielder in both CF and RF, despite limited time there (he's been a negative fielder in LF, but he's played a total of 10 games there, as opposed to 35 in RF). Yes, he's all or nothing, but he's pretty much been exactly the kind of guy you'd want on your bench and rotating through the DH as the right-handed partner. Strong on defense, and especially against LHP, not a liability with the bats. The issue is that Kotsay's getting almost all the PAs as the DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) Jones has an OPS+ of 98 on the season and a .753 OPS. Against LH pitchers in particular, he has an .853 OPS. Furthermore, he's been a plus fielder in both CF and RF, despite limited time there (he's been a negative fielder in LF, but he's played a total of 10 games there, as opposed to 35 in RF). Yes, he's all or nothing, but he's pretty much been exactly the kind of guy you'd want on your bench and rotating through the DH as the right-handed partner. Strong on defense, and especially against LHP, not a liability with the bats. Yet he has 58 AB vs. LHP and 152 vs. RHP. I understand you see a lot more RHP in a season, but that difference should not be that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 03:12 PM) The issue is that Kotsay's getting almost all the PAs as the DH. You're not going to hear me defending that. I can defend Jones as doing an excellent job in his role as 4th OF/part time DH. I can't defend anything Kotsay has done this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 02:15 PM) You're not going to hear me defending that. I can defend Jones as doing an excellent job in his role as 4th OF/part time DH. I can't defend anything Kotsay has done this year. What's worse is that Kotsay only plays 1B. You can play Viciedo at 1B to give Paulie a day off if need be. I see absolutely zero things that Mark Kotsay does better than Thome except run slightly faster and the ability to play 1B. Those two things don't even come close to the .280 gap in their OPS or the near .100 gap in their wOBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) Jones has an OPS+ of 98 on the season and a .753 OPS. Against LH pitchers in particular, he has an .853 OPS. Furthermore, he's been a plus fielder in both CF and RF, despite limited time there (he's been a negative fielder in LF, but he's played a total of 10 games there, as opposed to 35 in RF). Yes, he's all or nothing, but he's pretty much been exactly the kind of guy you'd want on your bench and rotating through the DH as the right-handed partner. Strong on defense, and especially against LHP, not a liability with the bats. The amazing thing is that Viciedos OPS is .755 because of his zero walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 02:51 PM) The amazing thing is that Viciedos OPS is .755 because of his zero walks. Which is the one thing about him that bothers me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 02:54 PM) Which is the one thing about him that bothers me. I think he is jumpy and wanting to hit because he is getting such irregular playing time. He probably is pressing to swing at anything that looks remotely hittable instead of drawing walks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I hope you're right. I'm not looking for Ted Williams or Joe Morgan here, just an occasional walk. Even if he just walks enough to get a 30 or 40 point split in the BA and OBP like Alexei does, it'll work IMO due to what I think should be very good power and solid ability to hit for average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 It's worth noting that he typically took 3-4 walks a month in the minors, except for June of last year, where he took 9. The guy who runs his AAP page kept up to date with most of his running monthly totals last year. He finished up last year with a total of 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Vargas road splits consist of a 3.99 ERA and a 1.19 WHIP over 8 starts. It would probably be good if he left with an ERA well over 3 and well over 4 on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 03:38 PM) Vargas road splits consist of a 3.99 ERA and a 1.19 WHIP over 8 starts. It would probably be good if he left with an ERA well over 3 and well over 4 on the road. What's weird about Vargas is that he's given up more home runs at home this year, 4 more in fact. Nice article about how his stats look a lot like Washburn's last year: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/j...arrod-washburn/ Vargas pitched against us in the series where we swept them. Gave up 2 runs in 6.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 01:58 PM) It's only a good plan if you have capable offensive players, which we really don't have in Kotsay and Jones. That wasn't the question. The question was why was Rios at DH. and Jones in CF. And I agree with Balta, Jones has done a good job. Another question: could the resting of Konerko, Rios and TCQ allow them to be more fresh and have a better overall season as opposed to the lineup with someone like Thome full time at DH? If nothing else to probably has allowed TCQ to play more without lower extremity injuries. There is no way to know for sure just a question that popped into my ADHD mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 05:16 PM) That wasn't the question. The question was why was Rios at DH. and Jones in CF. And I agree with Balta, Jones has done a good job. Another question: could the resting of Konerko, Rios and TCQ allow them to be more fresh and have a better overall season as opposed to the lineup with someone like Thome full time at DH? If nothing else to probably has allowed TCQ to play more without lower extremity injuries. There is no way to know for sure just a question that popped into my ADHD mind. I think it's entirely possible that with Konerko and Quentin it's the case. Rios though...really hasn't sat all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 04:16 PM) That wasn't the question. The question was why was Rios at DH. and Jones in CF. And I agree with Balta, Jones has done a good job. Another question: could the resting of Konerko, Rios and TCQ allow them to be more fresh and have a better overall season as opposed to the lineup with someone like Thome full time at DH? If nothing else to probably has allowed TCQ to play more without lower extremity injuries. There is no way to know for sure just a question that popped into my ADHD mind. I'm sure Thome would have shared platoon duties with with Jones at DH since Andruw was already on the team. The thing is, Ozzie could have made Thome part of his rotating DH platoon, that's what Thome's doing in Minnesota right now and it's working extremely well. With a guy like Thome, you don't want to give him an excess amount of at bats anyhow. He's getting old and you need to keep him fresh too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 the angels are snake bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 11:41 AM) Will I ever see this lineup? LF - Pierre SS - A-Ram CF - Rios 1B - Konerko RF - Quentin C - AJP DH - Viciedo 2B - Beckham 3B - Vizquel send it to ozzie's hotmail - he admits that he likes it and has even used suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 63 games to go, wild card unlikely what's gonna happen? Looks like we need to win our division to make the playoffs. The east has teams with more wins than our division and will probably have the wild card. Wonder how many games it will take to win our division? We'd only have to go 35-28 to get 90 wins. Is that enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 06:43 PM) 63 games to go, wild card unlikely what's gonna happen? Looks like we need to win our division to make the playoffs. The east has teams with more wins than our division and will probably have the wild card. Wonder how many games it will take to win our division? We'd only have to go 35-28 to get 90 wins. Is that enough? 90 should be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 06:43 PM) 63 games to go, wild card unlikely what's gonna happen? Looks like we need to win our division to make the playoffs. The east has teams with more wins than our division and will probably have the wild card. Wonder how many games it will take to win our division? We'd only have to go 35-28 to get 90 wins. Is that enough? The WC went out the window back in April. The 4 best teams in baseball are the Yankees, Rangers, Rays and Red Sox (not necessarily in that order). It's been win the division or else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Sometimes I wonder how far ahead the Sox would be of the Twins if we signed Hudson/Thome instead of Kotsay/Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Viciedo is really clueless how to play the 3rd base position. 1st and 2nd, no outs for Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 07:12 PM) Viciedo is really clueless how to play the 3rd base position. 1st and 2nd, no outs for Seattle. At least the White Sox realize it and had him playing 1B in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Can we have a mulligan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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