harfman77 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 From Sherman in the NY Post "What I hear is the Mets are trying to locate a pitcher (probably a reliever) who is overpriced and not having a particularly strong season, but who their scouts like and pluck him for little to no prospect in return." Sounds like a match to me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) From Sherman in the NY Post "What I hear is the Mets are trying to locate a pitcher (probably a reliever) who is overpriced and not having a particularly strong season, but who their scouts like and pluck him for little to no prospect in return." Sounds like a match to me.... Why give our players away for nothing? Doesn't seem like we have to move anyone unless it benefits us as well as the otehr team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 11:06 AM) Why give our players away for nothing? Doesn't seem like we have to move anyone unless it benefits us as well as the otehr team If you can clear Linebrink's salary for next season...you do so without hesitating. That money is enough to pay for a good setup man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:06 AM) Why give our players away for nothing? Doesn't seem like we have to move anyone unless it benefits us as well as the otehr team Getting rid of Linebrink and his salary would be of great benefit to the Sox this year and next, regardless of what the return is(unless it requires taking on a bad contract). That could be the difference in being able to resign Putz next season. Edited July 28, 2010 by shakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:06 AM) Why give our players away for nothing? Doesn't seem like we have to move anyone unless it benefits us as well as the otehr team Salary cap relief is a benefit to this team, it helps when forming the team next season and opens a spot on the 40 man roster which can be useful once the non-waiver deadline passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 11:09 AM) Salary cap relief is a benefit to this team, it helps when forming the team next season and opens a spot on the 40 man roster which can be useful once the non-waiver deadline passes. (Small note...baseball has no salary cap. And I believe the Sox already have an open 40 man spot...and they could come up with another one by moving Peavy to the 60 day DL.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That would be something I was all for. Never going to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:09 AM) (Small note...baseball has no salary cap. And I believe the Sox already have an open 40 man spot...and they could come up with another one by moving Peavy to the 60 day DL.). Sorry, salary relief, the sport has no cap but the team definitely has a cap on the amount that it can spend. The concept if the same even though I mis-spoke or mis-typed I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Jenks would make more sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Would you trade Jenks today and hand over the reigns with two months left to go to Putz/Thornton/Santos? Risky move...but it's perhaps even riskier to keep Jenks on this ballclub if he's not the official closer. One of many decisions I wouldn't be particularly enjoying to make in KW's shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 08:46 AM) Would you trade Jenks today and hand over the reigns with two months left to go to Putz/Thornton/Santos? Risky move...but it's perhaps even riskier to keep Jenks on this ballclub if he's not the official closer. One of many decisions I wouldn't be particularly enjoying to make in KW's shoes. I would if it meant we could keep Hudson and acquire Dunn with the prospect you get from Jenks plus a combo of Flowers/Danks2/Morel/etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:44 AM) Jenks would make more sense Hopefully you would be able to get SOMETHING for Jenks though. I wouldn't just give him away. I think the guy would thrive in the NL. Get a couple prospects for Jenks from the Phillies, and use them to fortify a package for Fielder, Dunn, Edwin Jackson, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:49 AM) Hopefully you would be able to get SOMETHING for Jenks though. I wouldn't just give him away. I think the guy would thrive in the NL. Get a couple prospects for Jenks from the Phillies, and use them to fortify a package for Fielder, Dunn, Edwin Jackson, etc. Jenks really has no value between his salary this year, the salary he'd get in arbitration next year if a team wanted to try and keep him, and the way he's pitching/his stuff looks these days. However, the Sox could just non tender him after the season, so ideally you could move Linebrink and save money that is otherwise a lock on the books for 2011. That'd never happen though, we're not that lucky. Edited July 28, 2010 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 09:47 AM) I would if it meant we could keep Hudson and acquire Dunn with the prospect you get from Jenks plus a combo of Flowers/Danks2/Morel/etc. That would be great, if it's actually possible. I really an fearful that trading Viciedo will come back to bite us. I'm not as worried about Flowers/Morel/Danks2 at all...although I have no idea who our catcher would be next year in that case, we'd better maximize our revenues or come up with another version of John Buck/Miguel Olivo on the FA market. The problem is that AJ knows the staff so well, you wonder how much time it will take for a new catcher to gain the trust of the staff, and this is particularly important with Gavin Floyd and Daniel Hudson, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:06 AM) Why give our players away for nothing? Doesn't seem like we have to move anyone unless it benefits us as well as the otehr team because we are paying him millions to not even pitch in an 11-0 game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 We'll probably see AJP and Castro as our catchers next year, and Flowers traded in the next week or during the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 AJ had better be ready and willing to take a gigantic paycut if he's coming back. And even then, I'm not sure I'd want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (shakes @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:08 AM) Getting rid of Linebrink and his salary would be of great benefit to the Sox this year and next, regardless of what the return is(unless it requires taking on a bad contract). That could be the difference in being able to resign Putz next season. And it could open up money to take on salary this year for the stretch run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:58 AM) And it could open up money to take on salary this year for the stretch run. True, although I think our bigger issue right now than taking on salary is lack of prospect depth. Uncle Jerry will let KW make the move if it's helpful IMO, but do we have the prospects to pull a Dunn type move off? I guess we'll know soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) Moving Liney to the Mets makes sense to me. Even if we don't get anything back. We'd likely call up Carlos Torres, and have him pitch long relief. Then move Pena back to a 7th-inning type role. We can't use Linebrink in the 7th inning now... Not in close games anyway. So, the net result would be an improvement, IMO. Of course, if we could find someone who will offer us additional players for him too that would be great. But I don't see that happening. Edited July 28, 2010 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 And AJ's making around $6.5 million this season...right? And I doubt they would try to cut his salary closer to $5 million...it could be one of those times where they ask AJ if he will take less in order to come back (where he'd obviously prefer to be), but he's not one of those guys making $10 million plus per year, not sure how he would take that. Probably not so well. So that would also make bringing back Konerko nearly impossible. Things will be tight enough as is... Unless those miracles happen with being able to trade Linebrink, Pierre and Teahen, not sure where they can go for payroll flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 11:00 AM) Moving Liney to the Mets makes sense to me. Even if we don't get anything back. We'd likely call up Carlos Torres, and have him pitch long relief. Then move Pena back to a 7th-inning type role. We can't use Linebrink in the 7th inning now... Not in close games anyway. So, the net result would be an improvement, IMO. Of course, if we could find someone who will offer us additional players for him too that would be great. But I don't see that happening. He would be traded for nothing just to get rid of the salary relief or traded for a good prospect and cash kind of a bizarro KW deal. Linebrink plus $3M for a B level prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 11:19 AM) He would be traded for nothing just to get rid of the salary relief or traded for a good prospect and cash kind of a bizarro KW deal. Linebrink plus $3M for a B level prospect. Not happening. We'd be lucky to get rid of Linebrink with giving the other team $3 mill, much less getting any value in return. Linebrink and his contract is negative value right now, the cash throw in would make it acceptable for another team. I could see us throwing in the rest of the cash (except the minimum amount) for the remainder of the season, then the team getting him being on the hook for the rest. Still saves us a ton next year (which we could reinvest in the draft ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 12:02 PM) And AJ's making around $6.5 million this season...right? And I doubt they would try to cut his salary closer to $5 million...it could be one of those times where they ask AJ if he will take less in order to come back (where he'd obviously prefer to be), but he's not one of those guys making $10 million plus per year, not sure how he would take that. Probably not so well. Between his "reputation" around the league and the fact that he's been way, way, way down with the bats this year, I think AJ will wind up shocked at how little he'll get offered on the open market. Teams that actually need a catcher are just instinctively not going to want to deal with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 10:02 AM) From Sherman in the NY Post "What I hear is the Mets are trying to locate a pitcher (probably a reliever) who is overpriced and not having a particularly strong season, but who their scouts like and pluck him for little to no prospect in return." Sounds like a match to me.... I think you guys are overlooking the bolded part above. Unless the scouts name is Kelly Linebrink, who the hell in their right mind would like this guy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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