fathom Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 07:08 PM) Here is what I don't get. If this were really the case... why take the risk of swinging independent trades? Why not do a three party deal all at once? agreed...I think it might be more likely we keep Jackson and then trade some others, like Flowers/Morel to try and get a bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:08 PM) Here is what I don't get. If this were really the case... why take the risk of swinging independent trades? Why not do a three party deal all at once? Because Jackson's not going anywhere. Flipping him really makes no sense on many levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:08 PM) Here is what I don't get. If this were really the case... why take the risk of swinging independent trades? Why not do a three party deal all at once? Aren't "3 way trades" technically all separate independent of one another, at least officially? Sox could very know well know what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:08 PM) I would give the entire farm system for Dunn if we don't have to include Jackson. I think most would. Most would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:08 AM) I would give the entire farm system for Dunn if we don't have to include Jackson. I think most would. Speak for yourself. No way that I give up both Flowers and Viciedo for Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:10 PM) Speak for yourself. No way that I give up both Flowers and Viciedo for Dunn. I didn't include Viciedo in that. Just talking about current farm players. I would give anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:10 PM) Aren't "3 way trades" technically all separate independent of one another, at least officially? Sox could very know well know what they are doing. Trades are contracts, and there are most certainly tri-party contracts. Not sure why baseball trades would be any different, but I confess I don't know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dielac Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Why would the Nats want a 8m dollar 4/5 starter. They are not in a pennant race or are in playoff contention. They want to looose salary. Dunn for Jackson will NOT happen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 One more fact: If Jackson does pitch well for the Sox next year and they want to keep him around long term, well, don't hold your breath on that one: Jackson is represented by Scott Boras. I believe he, Jones and Viciedo are our only 3 Boras clients at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) One more fact: If Jackson does pitch well for the Sox next year and they want to keep him around long term, well, don't hold your breath on that one: Jackson is represented by Scott Boras. I believe he, Jones and Viciedo are our only 3 Boras clients at this point. Viciedo ? I thought he and Alexei shared an agent, can't think of his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:12 PM) I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER. You get Dunn and keep Jackson, you have a team built for a run at the Series. As I said, I would leave out Viciedo, but I would include anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) Viciedo ? I thought he and Alexei shared an agent, can't think of his name. Jaime Torres? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 He let go of Jaime Torres...that was his original agent, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER. Uhhhh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:15 PM) Jaime Torres? Damn I just found it, Viciedo changed his agents from Torres to Boras. Completely missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 This trade suggests two things: (1) The Sox weren't nearly as high on Hudson as they'd led us to believe (or believe that his mechanics make him injury-prone). (2) Kenny subscribes to the school of thought that making a deal at the deadline (even if it doesn't really help the team much) has a positive psychological impact on the team. (I imagine that the Griffey trade of two years ago would fall into this category as well.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:16 PM) Uhhhh? Replying to someone who said they'd trade our entire farm system for Dunn. My reply was that I wouldn't even trade BOTH of those players together in the three combinations/permutations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Flowers won't be part of any package to the Nats, they just got Ramos from the twins in the Capps deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 That doesn't mean that the Nationals might not be looking at Flowers at 1B already...anticipating him coming off catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 @TBrownYahoo - Source: White Sox hope to acquire Dunn without trading Jackson, but Nats desire Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:20 PM) This trade suggests two things: (1) The Sox weren't nearly as high on Hudson as they'd led us to believe (or believe that his mechanics make him injury-prone). (2) Kenny subscribes to the school of thought that making a deal at the deadline (even if it doesn't really help the team much) has a positive psychological impact on the team. (I imagine that the Griffey trade of two years ago would fall into this category as well.) I think the trade really suggests the Sox believe Sale will be ready much sooner than most expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:23 PM) @TBrownYahoo - Source: White Sox hope to acquire Dunn without trading Jackson, but Nats desire Jackson. Geez, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:23 PM) I think the trade really suggests the Sox believe Sale will be ready much sooner than most expect. Half the world doesn't like his mechanics however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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