SoxFan1 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Could Dunn and the Sox be working on an extension before the trade is finalized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Mark Kotsay will NOT be DFA'd. He won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) Could Dunn and the Sox be working on an extension before the trade is finalized? I dont think so. It seems like it's a hold up on the Nats end. Edited July 30, 2010 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I don't think so, Dunn seems like he wants to be a FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Heyman #chisox would like to get dunn without including e. jackson but may have little choice but to offer him. #nats love jax. Same old, same old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:48 PM) Mark Kotsay will NOT be DFA'd. He won't. Unfortunately, it looks like you are correct. In the insane world that is white sox baseball, only we would keep around an old, slow, weak hitting 1B, even if we get someone who does everything he does but better. Its just so stupid to keep Kotsay around if we get one of Berkman or Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:38 PM) A friend of mine on Facebook who used to work for ESPN seems pretty confident that deal is in place for Jackson + prospects for Dunn, and we are just waiting on Nats to sign off on it. Is a deal really "in place" if the Nats haven't agreed to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:48 PM) Mark Kotsay will NOT be DFA'd. He won't. I'd prefer the Sox keep him as a left handed pinch hitter, but I wouldn't hold off on making a trade if his roster spot is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) Could Dunn and the Sox be working on an extension before the trade is finalized? We have about $75 million locked up in salary next year. I heavily doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 FWIW, From ESPN chat: Comment From Woj] I sometimes don't understand Kenny Williams- Why did he have to give up 2 good prospects and take on $10.5 million in future money. Houston gave $11 million and the prospects in return were nothing special. Why didn't the Sox get money in the deal? Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central: Hudson is not a future No. 1 or anything and Holmberg, the second arm going to Arizona, is widely considered a No. 3 or 4 starter at best. So they didn't exactly send elite talent to the D-backs in return for Jackson. Plus, the idea may be to flip Jackson to Washington for Dunn, which cancels out most if not all of the future money. But even Philly is taking on some salary, they didn't get Oswalt for FREE. Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central: Law on Hudson: No. 4 starter in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:50 PM) Unfortunately, it looks like you are correct. In the insane world that is white sox baseball, only we would keep around an old, slow, weak hitting 1B, even if we get someone who does everything he does but better. Its just so stupid to keep Kotsay around if we get one of Berkman or Dunn. Obviously Kotsay and Dunn would platoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:46 PM) I don't care if he is a scum. I cheer these guys on to play baseball. I'm not married to him, nor do I know anyone that is. Obviously I would prefer he not beat her, but my primary concern is to get to the postseason. QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) Sorry, I really care less about Myers as long as he helps us win games. You guys are welcome to feel that way, but I find that a little sad. I don't need angels, but I refuse to root for the success of complete scumbags like that. I just can't do it. AJ is an "asshole" in the sense that he is annoying, plays a little dirty, etc. I can handle that no problem. But that's a long way from beating up your wife in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:51 PM) I'd prefer the Sox keep him as a left handed pinch hitter, but I wouldn't hold off on making a trade if his roster spot is needed. Isnt that what Teahen will be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:52 PM) Obviously Kotsay and Dunn would platoon. With Kotsay getting a majority of the ABs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linnwood Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 For what is worth, Heyman says the Yankees are no longer after Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:53 PM) You guys are welcome to feel that way, but I find that a little sad. I don't need angels, but I refuse to root for the success of complete scumbags like that. I just can't do it. AJ is an "asshole" in the sense that he is annoying, plays a little dirty, etc. I can handle that no problem. But that's a long way from beating up your wife in public. Agreed. I would rather roll the dice with Lilly who is a good club house guy and comes off the books at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I flipped back a couple hundred posts and I didn't see this comparison so I'm going to make it. Trading: A young, barely to the big leagues starting pitcher who's under your control for 6+ years for an older, expensive, pitcher with a good fastball who pencils in at best at the tail end of your rotation at best and who is struggling like Hell in a weaker league, and who may well be worse than the young guy not only next season but even this season? Sound like the Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir deal to anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) Could Dunn and the Sox be working on an extension before the trade is finalized? Wouldn't that be something? If so, and it's not a crippling extension, KW may be crowned GM of the year...or at least the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Anyone else remember how we nearly traded Konerko for Greg Miller and Edwin Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrenBlackwood Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:53 AM) You guys are welcome to feel that way, but I find that a little sad. I don't need angels, but I refuse to root for the success of complete scumbags like that. I just can't do it. AJ is an "asshole" in the sense that he is annoying, plays a little dirty, etc. I can handle that no problem. But that's a long way from beating up your wife in public. I agree with you! They are supposed to be examples for people. IMO it's their responsibility to behave like decent people, not immoral s*** heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:52 PM) FWIW, From ESPN chat: Comment From Woj] I sometimes don't understand Kenny Williams- Why did he have to give up 2 good prospects and take on $10.5 million in future money. Houston gave $11 million and the prospects in return were nothing special. Why didn't the Sox get money in the deal? Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central: Hudson is not a future No. 1 or anything and Holmberg, the second arm going to Arizona, is widely considered a No. 3 or 4 starter at best. So they didn't exactly send elite talent to the D-backs in return for Jackson. Plus, the idea may be to flip Jackson to Washington for Dunn, which cancels out most if not all of the future money. But even Philly is taking on some salary, they didn't get Oswalt for FREE. Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central: Law on Hudson: No. 4 starter in the NL. Keith Law can go eat himself into obesity. Edited July 30, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:54 PM) I flipped back a couple hundred posts and I didn't see this comparison so I'm going to make it. Trading: A young, barely to the big leagues starting pitcher who's under your control for 6+ years for an older, expensive, pitcher with a good fastball who pencils in at best at the tail end of your rotation at best and who is struggling like Hell in a weaker league, and who may well be worse than the young guy not only next season but even this season? Sound like the Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir deal to anyone else? If memory serves me right he was viewed nationally as a higher level prospect than Hudson, and also, FWIW Jackson has a very good year in the AL under his belt only last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:54 PM) Sound like the Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir deal to anyone else? Zambrano was 29 at the time, Jackson is 26, and IIRC Kazmir was a much higher rated prospect (with more upside) than Hudson. I think the Sox are intrigued by Jackson's stuff, some big league experience, while still being pretty young. Edited July 30, 2010 by bighurt574 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:51 AM) We have about $75 million locked up in salary next year. I heavily doubt it. Jackson is owed $8.35M next year. Dunn would probably make about $12M. Not a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 I think Rizzo getting Ramos from the Twins probably empowered his line of thinking that he can ask for the moon from a team and get it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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