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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:56 PM)
His hands are not tied with Dunns contract, loves the guy and doesn't need to trade him and can hold out for a good package. Great clubhouse guy, fans love him. 3-4 teams have serious interest in him. Per Rizzo on MLb trade deadline special.

yeah, anything short of him saying "we are absolutely not trading Dunn" from Rizzo means very little 22 hours away from the deadline, even that I would take with a slight grain of salt.

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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:56 PM)
His hands are not tied with Dunns contract, loves the guy and doesn't need to trade him and can hold out for a good package. Great clubhouse guy, fans love him. 3-4 teams have serious interest in him. Per Rizzo on MLb trade deadline special.

Haha. Just trying not to lose leverage here. Of course Dunn is gone after the year. But credit Rizzo, he is saying the right things to keep the upper hand. KW probably has a deal if he wants to include Viciedo, which I am sure he is reluctant to do.

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:57 PM)
yeah, anything short of him saying "we are absolutely not trading Dunn" from Rizzo means very little 22 hours away from the deadline, even that I would take with a slight grain of salt.

 

 

Just trying to inform other people in what he was saying just in case they don't have the ability to watch the interview. Those were Rizzos words not mine.

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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:00 PM)
Just trying to inform other people in what he was saying just in case they don't have the ability to watch the interview. Those were Rizzos words not mine.

that's fine, not attacking you or you posting it, just giving my interpretation of them.

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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:44 PM)
:lolhitting :lolhitting :lolhitting

 

Seriously guys? This is the worst trade KW has ever made? This has been a terrible deadline? I've seen several people mention it so far. Um, this guy has way better stuff than Hudson does, is still relatively young, has experience pitching in the AL Central, has experience being in a pennant race, and is under control for another year for decent money.

 

Now I know what people mean when they say the Sox have overvalued Hudson. The way I think of him is the way people thought of Jeff Bajanaru.

 

 

Yes trading a SP who's under team control for 6 more years for a SP who's marginally better, cost 10x more, and is only under team control for another year; qualifies as a sh**ty move. More so than the Swisher trades. In the 1st Swisher trade no prospect came close to Hudson's value now(losing Sweeney sucked but we didn't completely overpay); the 2nd trade, we did get screwed return-wise, but at least we were dumping Swisher's increasing salary that helped us re-sign Floyd, trade for Peavy, and acquire Rios.

 

In this trade we took on ~$10M in salary for a minimal upgrade. And please don't give me the "he's young" talk, he's under team control for another year and guess who is agent is....Boras. Don't talk about how someone is a great young project when they're paid like a proven veteran.

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:58 PM)
some people tend to think he projects at 2b, you're a prospect guy, agree?

 

I don't. 2B seems like a much easier position to play, so why move him out of 3B, where he is very good? Sure, he may not have typical 3B power, but I'd rather have a great defensive 3B down there than a good hitter who can't field.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:02 PM)
Bernstein is such an arrogant jerk.

"No! He's bad! He's bad now! Noooo! He's baaaaaadddd wahhhhhh!" Obviously the caller was an idiot (when calling about Carlos Lee) but I wanted to smack whoever was talking on the show at the time.

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if callers are calling in and throwing around the idea that the White Sox screwed up in not retaining Lee than any host has a right to snap. First, I like Carlos, he has been a good hitter in his career, but the White Sox don't win the WS with him IMO, and I'm not a huge Pods fan either... beyond that, look at the crazy long-term deal he got, Sox got out of the Carlos Lee business at the right time.

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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:49 PM)
Ken_Rosenthal deal of their liking. #Rays can't be sure Dunn will succeed as DH after failed expriment w Burrell. #Nationals might be stuck. #Yankees #MLB

4 minutes ago

 

Ken_Rosenthal Berkman to #Yankees could put #Nationals in bind with Dunn. Nats lose big potential suitor. #WhiteSox can hold out for (MORE) #Rays #MLB

 

lol@that pathetic reasoning for not being sold on Dunn. That's actually beyond pathetic. And Dan Bernstein is one of my idols. It's Boers that I can't stand.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:07 PM)
His last 5 seasons Carlos has hit above .300....the guy wasn't that far off.

 

What he didn't realize is that Carlos Lee is getting old and regressing. Plus, he is owed around $35 million over the next two years. You're asking for disaster by saying he should be traded here.

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:08 PM)
What he didn't realize is that Carlos Lee is getting old and regressing. Plus, he is owed around $35 million over the next two years. You're asking for disaster by saying he should be traded here.

 

He's been one of the worst every day players in baseball this year.

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Ugh, hearing that Yanks won't give up any premium prospects to get Berkman really frustrates me.

 

How do the Yankees have this power over teams?

Why couldn't we get salary dump Jackson w/out giving up our No. 1 pitching prospect? f***.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:11 PM)
How do the Yankees have this power over teams?

Why couldn't we get salary dump Jackson w/out giving up our No. 1 pitching prospect? f***.

possibly because teams around the league don't regard Hudson very highly? I have no idea how other teams rate him, but just because he's #1 in a bad system doesn't make him worth more than 5-10 in strong systems.

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:08 PM)
What he didn't realize is that Carlos Lee is getting old and regressing. Plus, he is owed around $35 million over the next two years. You're asking for disaster by saying he should be traded here.

And that is what Bernstein should have said.

 

The caller was indeed an idiot, but the caller is not the guy that usually has a microphone in front of his mouth. Bernstein didn't have the info in front of his face and so he stalled by saying "he's baaaadd...he's baaadddddd..." long enough til he did get the numbers.

 

Then when he did get the numbers, the guy asked for Lee's numbers last year, and Bernstein conveniently failed to answer him.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:11 PM)
How do the Yankees have this power over teams?

Why couldn't we get salary dump Jackson w/out giving up our No. 1 pitching prospect? f***.

 

What power? The Yankees power comes during the offseason when they can throw money at everything. They wanted Santana, Lee and Haren and couldn't land any of them.

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QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:11 PM)
Cowley was just saying the Big deal KW is working on is still going and its supposedly for someone noone is talking about.. no idea who it could be.

again, not that I don't believe posters when they post things, but source? His twitter last said "don't confuse quite with inactivity"

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With Jackson starting next Wednesday, he'll fall where Hudson was. Meaning the schedule is set up for Jackson to get 11 starts...8 vs AL Central teams, including 4 vs Detroit.

 

8-4 at Det

8-10 vs Min

8-15 vs Det

8-21 at KC

8-27 vs NY

9-1 at Cle

9-7 at Det

9-12 vs KC

9-18 vs Det

9-25 at LAA

9-30 vs Bos

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