White Sox Acquire Edwin Jackson

[justBLAZE]

I suggest you guys look in the August Catch-all thread, (as well as the Teahen thread).

 

I think it's safe to say Sale will be up soon.

[flavum]

If Sale gets called up, it'll be for Threets. Unless, they want Sale up while Threets is still there, I don't see why they would want 8 in the pen.

[AWhiteSoxinNJ]

I can't argue with any of that. We failed to address our most pressing need.

 

Hold your failure comments until after August 30th please.

 

Why can't people understand this?

 

They're going to get a bat, they have 1 month to do so.

 

Relax people.

[chw42]

Hold your failure comments until after August 30th please.

 

Why can't people understand this?

 

They're going to get a bat, they have 1 month to do so.

 

Relax people.

 

You need to stop acting like picking up a impact bat on waivers is easy. As of this moment, the White Sox are the 5th best team in the AL. That would mean they would be 25th in the waiver order for somebody like Manny. It's not going to be that easy.

Edited August 2, 2010 by chw42

[sircaffey]

Hold your failure comments until after August 30th please.

 

Why can't people understand this?

 

They're going to get a bat, they have 1 month to do so.

 

Relax people.

People do understand this. People also understand that having a bat for 2 months and not just 1 would have been a smidge more helpful in the division race. We aren't the Yankees stocking up for the playoffs.

[flavum]

I love how Jackson's schedule is set up. He'll have a chance to succeed against some bad teams.

 

8-4 at Det

8-9 at Bal

8-14 vs Det

8-20 at KC

8-26 vs Bal

8-31 at Cle

9-6 at Det

9-11 vs KC

9-17 vs Det

9-22 at Oak

TBD vs Bos

TBD vs Cle

 

Detroit four times. Baltimore, Cleveland, and KC twice each. Oakland and Boston once.

 

They're stacking Danks, Floyd, and Buehrle vs Minnesota--which they should.

[AWhiteSoxinNJ]

You need to stop acting like picking up a impact bat on waivers is easy. As of this moment, the White Sox are the 5th best team in the AL. That would mean they would be 25th in the waiver order for somebody like Manny. It's not going to be that easy.

 

I didn't say it's going to be simple, but it's going to happen.

 

And I'll be bumping everyone thread about them crying about the trade deadline when it's the unofficial trade deadline.

 

More and more teams will fallout of contention in the next 30 days.

 

Impact bats like Luke Scott, etc, will be available.

 

Cry after August 30th if we don't do anything.

[Kalapse]

I didn't say it's going to be simple, but it's going to happen.

 

And I'll be bumping everyone thread about them crying about the trade deadline when it's the unofficial trade deadline.

 

More and more teams will fallout of contention in the next 30 days.

 

Impact bats like Luke Scott, etc, will be available.

 

Cry after August 30th if we don't do anything.

There's seriously no reason for someone like Luke Scott to clear waivers.

[AWhiteSoxinNJ]

People do understand this. People also understand that having a bat for 2 months and not just 1 would have been a smidge more helpful in the division race. We aren't the Yankees stocking up for the playoffs.

 

Most teams aren't in sell mode when there is a wild card race going on (mostly in the NL).

 

More and more teams will be dropping out of the race in the next 30 days.

 

The bats we have now need to produce like they are capable of doing.

 

I wasn't willing to overpay the likes of Beckham, etc, for a 2 month rental on a bat.

 

Patience.

[AWhiteSoxinNJ]

There's seriously no reason for someone like Luke Scott to clear waivers.

 

In this economy, teams are less likely to claim players just to block other teams in fear of the other team saying take the contract like Alex Rios.

 

This was mentioned at length on the MLB Network all last week with quotes from GM's.

 

It happens less then you think.

 

He doesn't have to clear waivers, just fall to the White Sox.

Edited August 2, 2010 by AWhiteSoxinNJ

[chw42]

I didn't say it's going to be simple, but it's going to happen.

 

And I'll be bumping everyone thread about them crying about the trade deadline when it's the unofficial trade deadline.

 

More and more teams will fallout of contention in the next 30 days.

 

Impact bats like Luke Scott, etc, will be available.

 

Cry after August 30th if we don't do anything.

 

You're making it sound like it's simple because you're so confident. We were all confident that Kenny wasn't going to leave the deadline without a bat and look what happened.

[Pumpkin Escobar]

People do understand this. People also understand that having a bat for 2 months and not just 1 would have been a smidge more helpful in the division race. We aren't the Yankees stocking up for the playoffs.

 

 

There's seriously no reason for someone like Luke Scott to clear waivers.

 

 

This.

 

We can preach about post deadline waivers and how you can find something. It's rare there is something of extreme value. Rios? Please, he was down and out in Toronto, massive salary, and minimal signs of being the man he is today or was in the past. We got lucky there. We also weren't exactly front-runners in the division, so if we are in first place, any half-a-brain gm from Detroit or Minnesota will block or attempt to block us from acquiring that "big bat".

 

Not to mention how we play Detroit 7 times, Minnesota 6, and the Yankees for 3 in August before the deadline. A bat would be nice for those, not in the middle of or after. Playing the "just wait, it's not over for deals" card is silly. Sure something can and you'd hope will. It won't be a DH bat. DH's are usually as close to or are game changing bats. We won't see one if we remain ahead of those 2 clubs. And if we fall behind them, well, point your finger at not addressing out biggest need.

Edited August 2, 2010 by Pumpkin Escobar

[iamshack]

I reallly want to know how waiver claims work in regards to deferred money.

 

Kal, Qwerty, did you guys catch any part of the discussion Balta and I were having regarding Manny and his contract?

 

[hi8is]

It'll be very interesting to see what the front office says about jackson in the next episode of the club. I don't know if anyone here is as happy as me to have Edwin.

 

I'll also be happy to eat crow if he doesn't pan out... But I've got a great great feeling about him fir this year and 2011

[Pumpkin Escobar]

It'll be very interesting to see what the front office says about jackson in the next episode of the club. I don't know if anyone here is as happy as me to have Edwin.

 

I'll also be happy to eat crow if he doesn't pan out... But I've got a great great feeling about him fir this year and 2011

 

I'm on the fence. Seeing him in the AL scares me since his track record wasn't great in either. He always had immense upside so maybe Coop can get him to reach that level but I get sick of having to rely on that train of thought just to keep my hopes up. Dealing Hudson for him is tough to swallow because much like Richard, the NL will prove weaker and his numbers will look better.

 

It looked like Kenny was saying "this guy wouldve been impossible to acquire in the past" as he was talking about him but that could be video edit and not relating to him at all so I don't want to read to much into it. It does make sense though.

[southsider2k5]

I reallly want to know how waiver claims work in regards to deferred money.

 

Kal, Qwerty, did you guys catch any part of the discussion Balta and I were having regarding Manny and his contract?

 

You pick up the contract as is. If there are supposed to be payments made, the claiming team assumes them, unless it was something where the money was supposed to be put aside in the past into an interest bearing account or something of that ilk.

[iamshack]

You pick up the contract as is. If there are supposed to be payments made, the claiming team assumes them, unless it was something where the money was supposed to be put aside in the past into an interest bearing account or something of that ilk.

So if Manny has money deferred from his 09' salary at 0% interest, that liability would be assumed by the claiming team?

 

I have a really difficult time believing that...

 

Basically then, no one is going to be able to claim ManRam and the Dodgers will be able to make a deal with anyone. If what you say is true, then he is still going to be owed some $25 million from the 2 year, $45 million contract he signed in 09'.

[southsider2k5]

So if Manny has money deferred from his 09' salary at 0% interest, that liability would be assumed by the claiming team?

 

I have a really difficult time believing that...

 

Basically then, no one is going to be able to claim ManRam and the Dodgers will be able to make a deal with anyone. If what you say is true, then he is still going to be owed some $25 million from the 2 year, $45 million contract he signed in 09'.

 

It would depend on how the deferred money was specifically assigned. If they just said that he gets x million from 2010 in 2015, then yes, the team that owns his contract would assume that liability. If it said that in 2010 his team was to defer x million dollars to be paid in 2015, the team that made that deferral would be responsible for that payment, unless a new agreement was made to supercede the original contract.

[macsandz]

This.

 

We can preach about post deadline waivers and how you can find something. It's rare there is something of extreme value.

 

Wrong. Some of the best talent in the game today were waiver deals.

It happens all the time:

 

Adam Dunn was a waiver trade in 2009. He's an extreme value.

Carl Pavano was a waiver trade last season. He's an extreme value.

Rios was a waiver claim last season. He's an extreme value.

Billy Wagner was a waiver trade last season. He's an extreme value.

 

 

 

[iamshack]

It would depend on how the deferred money was specifically assigned. If they just said that he gets x million from 2010 in 2015, then yes, the team that owns his contract would assume that liability. If it said that in 2010 his team was to defer x million dollars to be paid in 2015, the team that made that deferral would be responsible for that payment, unless a new agreement was made to supercede the original contract.

 

2 years/$45M (2009-10)

re-signed by LA Dodgers as free agent 3/4/09

09:$25M, 10:$20M (voidable)

Ramirez must decide whether to opt out of final year of deal before fifth day after 2009 World Series or Nov. 10, whichever is later

$30M deferred without interest:

for 2009, Ramirez receives $10M in 2009 and $15M in 3 installments of $5M paid each June 30, 2010 to 2012

if Ramirez does not opt out, he receives $5M in 2010 and $15M in 3 installments of $3,333,333 each on June 30, 2011 and 2012, and $8,333,333 on June 30, 2013

full no-trade clause

Ramirez to donate $1M to club charity

Ramirez exercised 2010 player option 11/6/09

 

It's pretty important who is responsible for the deferred money for the waiver claiming process.

[Kalapse]

In this economy, teams are less likely to claim players just to block other teams in fear of the other team saying take the contract like Alex Rios.

 

This was mentioned at length on the MLB Network all last week with quotes from GM's.

 

It happens less then you think.

 

He doesn't have to clear waivers, just fall to the White Sox.

Alex Rios had $60M left on his deal, Luke Scott: ~$1.5M. The guys with the big contracts will clear, I agree but when it's a small 1 year commitment there's no reason not to claim a great talent like Scott especially when he's under non-guaranteed team control for 2 more years. The Orioles aren't just going to dump Scott for nothing, he has a ton of value. Literally every team in the AL should put in a claim.

 

Some like Vernon Well will clear with ease because there's a large multi-year commitment involved, those guys will be available not the cheap 1 year commitments.

[southsider2k5]

2 years/$45M (2009-10)

re-signed by LA Dodgers as free agent 3/4/09

09:$25M, 10:$20M (voidable)

Ramirez must decide whether to opt out of final year of deal before fifth day after 2009 World Series or Nov. 10, whichever is later

$30M deferred without interest:

for 2009, Ramirez receives $10M in 2009 and $15M in 3 installments of $5M paid each June 30, 2010 to 2012

if Ramirez does not opt out, he receives $5M in 2010 and $15M in 3 installments of $3,333,333 each on June 30, 2011 and 2012, and $8,333,333 on June 30, 2013

full no-trade clause

Ramirez to donate $1M to club charity

Ramirez exercised 2010 player option 11/6/09

 

It's pretty important who is responsible for the deferred money for the waiver claiming process.

 

Its hard to tell from that information what exactly the deferral process entails there. From the looks of it, I would guess the money has been set aside, because it specifically said without interest, but I wouldn't bet on it for sure.

[macsandz]

You're making it sound like it's simple because you're so confident. We were all confident that Kenny wasn't going to leave the deadline without a bat and look what happened.

 

What happened is that Kenny traded for Lance Berkman.

[iamshack]

Its hard to tell from that information what exactly the deferral process entails there. From the looks of it, I would guess the money has been set aside, because it specifically said without interest, but I wouldn't bet on it for sure.

Right...which is why I wish someone in the media would get to the bottom of it!

 

Rosenthal referred to some $6.7 million figure, but I'll bet he just took 2/3 of the $20M Ramirez makes this year, without really looking into the contract.

 

But if the deferred money gets tied to actual time periods, such as a regular payment schedule, then it is conceivable that he is owed about $6-7 million for the remainder of the season.

 

For that number, I could see someone claiming him possibly.

 

For the other number, no chance.

[southsider2k5]

Right...which is why I wish someone in the media would get to the bottom of it!

 

Rosenthal referred to some $6.7 million figure, but I'll bet he just took 2/3 of the $20M Ramirez makes this year, without really looking into the contract.

 

But if the deferred money gets tied to actual time periods, such as a regular payment schedule, then it is conceivable that he is owed about $6-7 million for the remainder of the season.

 

For that number, I could see someone claiming him possibly.

 

For the other number, no chance.

 

Thinking back to the negotiations I would guess that the money has been set aside as well, because it sure sounded like they were only talking about money from this season.