White Sox Acquire Manny Ramirez

[Kyyle23]

I'll stick up for NJ, he's always had good information coming from the Phillies source.

 

Didnt he tell us that Gavin wouldnt amount to anything in the majors?

[iamshack]

Didnt he tell us that Gavin wouldnt amount to anything in the majors?

Well, that would be consistent with what the Phillies believed when they gave up on him...

[Soxbadger]

The "believe me" stuff is overblown. Its a figure of speech, I dont read it literally. If some one has sources great, if they dont, I dont care either. Its all for fun and reputation

 

Same for the steve knock, what he believed made sense, but logic doesnt always win.

[Kyyle23]

Well, that would be consistent with what the Phillies believed when they gave up on him...

 

his Phillies source also said we would end up with Dunn. Sooooo, sources shmources. except for ours of courses

[macsandz]

I agree. If teams have $6-7 million to spend on a loose cannon, despite his talent, for a third of the season they have a lot of explaining to do. If the Sox were willing to pay that much they wouldn't have screwed around with their lowball offer. Manny can hit, but there's some question marks. Attitude, health, both getting healthy and staying healthy, and while he's been good since his PED bust, he's certainly not what he was. I can't see the White Sox pay a guy that kind of money for 50 games to DH when they wouldn't give others that for an entire season. Manny has good numbers in limited ABs but certainly not eye popping.

 

Kenny knew what he was doing. He knows the Dodgers don't want to give Manny another dime. Certainly not as they fall out of contention with Manny on the "timeout" DL. Kenny had no intention of trading for Manny last weekend. He indicated to Coletti that he'd be there to relieve him of Manny when the Dodgers fell out if it. Kenny is in every team's business and he knows nobody will claim him.

[103 mph screwball]

The Sox are currently one of the teams down from last season. Attendance flat out sucked the first 2 months of the season. This pennant chase should rock it.

Manny would put butts in seats too. I think the Sox will get him and he may be back next year if he an Ozzie have a good working relationship.

[macsandz]

Oh not this again...you and your obsession with money...do you realize the owners of baseball teams have access to all sorts of credit lines and loans etc? I cannot understand how you can possibly view the finances of a MLB team as some cookie jar that is either empty or is not..

 

To this point, MLB itself has been financially bailing out the Texas Rangers all season. I'm sure Selig loved seeing the Rangers add payroll last month...

[iamshack]

The "believe me" stuff is overblown. Its a figure of speech, I dont read it literally. If some one has sources great, if they dont, I dont care either. Its all for fun and reputation

 

Same for the steve knock, what he believed made sense, but logic doesnt always win.

And that's fine, Badger...but you and I both know that there is always room for reasonable minds to disagree.

 

There is nothing I dislike more than being told what to believe without any reasoning behind it.

[103 mph screwball]

I'll stick up for NJ, he's always had good information coming from the Phillies source.

Me too. I may not post that much, but I read just about every word. Rock has had great info and I have no reason to doubt NJ either. Not all inside rumors will actually happen, but that doesn't mean it isn't from a good source. Please don't drive away good posters who claim to bring real info even if you choose not to believe it. Not aimed at anybody, just a blanket request. I love the rumor stuff a lot more than another Kotsay crucifixion thread.

[iamshack]

Me too. I may not post that much, but I read just about every word. Rock has had great info and I have no reason to doubt NJ either. Not all inside rumors will actually happen, but that doesn't mean it isn't from a good source. Please don't drive away good posters who claim to bring real info even if you choose not to believe it. Not aimed at anybody, just a blanket request. I love the rumor stuff a lot more than another Kotsay crucifixion thread.

Again, I don't think this is the issue at all. Everyone appreciates info from a different perspective.

 

What the issue is, is when posters barge into other discussions and say "Don't even bother discussing this! Such and such is going to happen! Believe me!" Then they do this repetitiously in multiple threads over the course of several days.

 

Not cool.

 

 

[chw42]

No teams took on monster salaries.

 

The baseball sources I have with the Phillies say it's across the league.

 

The baseball sources you had also said we'd get Adam Dunn.

[SoxAce]

Me too. I may not post that much, but I read just about every word. Rock has had great info and I have no reason to doubt NJ either. Not all inside rumors will actually happen, but that doesn't mean it isn't from a good source. Please don't drive away good posters who claim to bring real info even if you choose not to believe it.

 

Meh.. he's behind docsox, chisox2334, spataro, and even Rock for me (and I'm not even counting futuresox posters in the know). sorry NJ.. gotta prove yourself more!!

Edited August 4, 2010 by J.Reedfan8

[Dick Allen]

The baseball sources you had also said we'd get Adam Dunn.

If he really does have a Phillies source, it was pretty good information. They can only speculate as to where a guy like Dunn was going. I doubt very much they themselves were asking about him, and everyone had him going to the White Sox. He did say Philadelphia would get Oswalt, which wasn't a shock but accurate, in fact, about an hour after he posted it, I read a baseball "expert" on one of the websites who said Oswalt was a lock to St. Louis. I have many disagreements with NJ, but whether its a radio or TV show he has access to or a real person with the Phillies, you cannot dismiss his claims of inside sources as BS based on Dunn. A Tampa exec said Dunn was a lock to be a Yankee, and 10 minutes later the Yankees get Berkman.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Dick Allen

[justBLAZE]

If he really does have a Phillies source, it was pretty good information. They can only speculate as to where a guy like Dunn was going. I doubt very much they themselves were asking about him, and everyone had him going to the White Sox. He did say Philadelphia would get Oswald, which wasn't a shock but accurate, in fact, about an hour after he posted it, I read a baseball "expert" on one of the websites who said Oswald was a lock to St. Louis. I have many disagreements with NJ, but whether its a radio or TV show he has access to or a real person with the Phillies, you cannot dismiss his claims of inside sources as BS based on Dunn. A Tampa exec said Dunn was a lock to be a Yankee, and 10 minutes later the Yankees get Berkman.

 

Agreed, AJ only knows as much as the Phillies source, and Phillies source had Dunn going to White Sox, like half the baseball world out there did.

[Balta1701]

Agreed, AJ only knows as much as the Phillies source, and Phillies source had Dunn going to White Sox, like half the baseball world out there did.

Which means that this Phillies source is just as susceptible to spin from other front offices as anyone else is...and just about every front office uses a "our revenue sucks!" spin to try to lull other teams into sleeping while they strike. KW is a master at it.

[Balta1701]

To this point, MLB itself has been financially bailing out the Texas Rangers all season. I'm sure Selig loved seeing the Rangers add payroll last month...

I'll bet Selig is quite happy about it. That team is going to get playoff ticket revenue at this point, and they've bumped their attendance up by about 900 fans/game over last year. They've gotten a lot of press and the moves they've made have probably increased their franchise's value. Right now, they'd get a matchup with the Yankees in the first round of the postseason. And they get to throw Cliff Lee out 2 times, on their schedule, against the Yanks.

[JorgeFabregas]

How much salary did the Rangers take on in total?

[Balta1701]

How much salary did the Rangers take on in total?

They gave up a little bit extra in talent in a lot of their deals to get the other team to send along cash.

It should also be noted that the Rangers effectively added $10 million worth of payroll to the club without significantly adding to the bottom line. The Rangers got cash back in all five deals they made before the deadline, including the trade of Jarrod Saltalamacchia to Boston. They received about $8 million in cash considerations in the deals for Bengie Molina, Cliff Lee, Cantu and Guzman.

 

Daniels said the money received from the Saltalamacchia trade could be used to help sign some still unsigned draft picks.

As always on these, TIFWIW, there's probably hidden financial clauses we don't know about.

[dyuen]

Which means that this Phillies source is just as susceptible to spin from other front offices as anyone else is...and just about every front office uses a "our revenue sucks!" spin to try to lull other teams into sleeping while they strike. KW is a master at it.

This is a good point. Also, KW has a national media source that he leaks information to in order to create false interest and use in a beneficial manner. The true fact is that the Sox were never close to getting Dunn because Rizzo always insisted on Beckham being in the deal. He never wanted Jackson from us.

[macsandz]

This is a good point. Also, KW has a national media source that he leaks information to in order to create false interest and use in a beneficial manner. The true fact is that the Sox were never close to getting Dunn because Rizzo always insisted on Beckham being in the deal. He never wanted Jackson from us.

 

How serious are they still on Manny? Does Kenny expect to pick him up? It seems like he does. Did they ever pursue Hawpe? Would they still put in a claim on him?

[Balta1701]

How serious are they still on Manny? Does Kenny expect to pick him up? It seems like he does. Did they ever pursue Hawpe? Would they still put in a claim on him?

They were serious enough on Manny that they felt like they took a real shot at it. I'm not sure that they still are...I think a lot of it depends on the Dodgers and whether they decide that they're sellers at some point.

 

If I know KW, there's not a person he didn't put in a call on. But remember...the Rockies still think they're in the race as well.

[GreatScott82]

I'm guessing KW will aqcuire someone around Aug. 29th. Because the rosters expand on September 1st. The organization wouldn't have to worry about sending a man down. At that time the Dodgers will likely be more than out of the race meaning they will likely deal Manny to a contending team.

Edited August 5, 2010 by GreatScott82

[ScottyDo]

I'm guessing KW will aqcuire someone around Aug. 29th. Because the rosters expand on September 1st. The organization wouldn't have to worry about sending a man down. At that time the Dodgers will likely be more than out of the race meaning they will likely deal Manny to a contending team.

The timing of a deal would be entirely dependent on when the team puts the player on waivers, would it not? If the Dodgers decided to take Manny off the DL and waive him tomorrow, KW would have no choice but to make the trade in the next couple of days. He really has little to no control over the timeline, unless he just didn't put in a claim on anybody until that date.

[Dick Allen]

The timing of a deal would be entirely dependent on when the team puts the player on waivers, would it not? If the Dodgers decided to take Manny off the DL and waive him tomorrow, KW would have no choice but to make the trade in the next couple of days. He really has little to no control over the timeline, unless he just didn't put in a claim on anybody until that date.

Manny will clear waivers, so the deal, if there is one to be made can be made at any time after that.

[Balta1701]

I'm pretty sure I've been told the $6 million figure several times in this thread and told that Manram doesn't have an NTC.

The Dodgers quickly blew off the White Sox, who were merely offering to take $1 million of the more than $8 million left on Manny's contract, just in case the Dodgers had had enough of that act. Then, when word got out, the Rays and two other AL teams called, mostly just to kick Manny's tires for the fun of it.

 

But none of those teams came away with the feeling that Ramirez was actually available. And why would he have been? The Dodgers were one of the most aggressive buyers before the deadline. They're kind of desperate for offense themselves. And if Manny wants to play next year, he's going to need to (A) come back and play sooner or later, and (B) hit like Ty Cobb when he does.

 

Oh, and one more thing: Ramirez has a total no-trade clause. You think he'd have just waived that on deadline day without a perk or two being tossed his way?

 

Now if the Dodgers don't climb back into contention by the last week of August and Manny clears waivers, as expected, the team figures to have a very different approach. But what we saw Saturday was a classic example of how fast rumor can start looking like reality in this nutty world we live in.