bschmaranz Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (Cali @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 02:35 PM) Acquire Manny for nothing...DF-Kotsay.... What a glorious day that would be.... That would make me beyond happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 I really hate that we entered the season with Kotsay as our DH to begin with... I'm very frustrated that we have to pray that Manny's injured, old ass can clear waivers and the Tigers won't block just to hate for our season to be saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) You get the feeling that if some other team blocks the Manny move for one reason or another, KW is going to absolutely freak out. I get the feeling that other team would have to be crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 I can't see an AL team below us taking on a few million just out of spite. I think we win the claim, unless an NL team goes for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:13 PM) I think we win the claim, unless an NL team goes for it. I can definitely see a couple of NL teams that might bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 As I said back in July..... I will welcome having Manny bat on this team, but I can't say I have ever been a fan of the guy personally. I think he represent everything bad about baseball. Steroids, laziness, being a clown, selfish, ect. However, I can't deny his skills and I can't help but overlook his personality if it means we can make a push for the playoffs, in addition to the tickets and jersey sales he will create. I feel the same well I felt when the Cowboys got Terrell Owens. Hated the player, but couldn't deny the skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan-kwman Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (buckweaver @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 12:14 PM) Or perhaps..."Watch Manny inject some life into the White Sox!" We become the Yankees when we sign a known cheater because it may help us win. As a 46-year-old lifelong Sox fan who grew up listening to my grandfather's stories of Babe Ruth playing at the old palace, I implore Kenny Williams not to bring Manny Ramirez to the White Sox. As I posted in another thread a week or two ago (and that's saying something because I don't post very much), I consider Manny as the poster child for all of major league baseball's ills: greed, steroids, lazy, selfish. No debate there's blame for the steroid era abounding, but when you're injecting a needle into your ass or having someone else do it for you, it's wrong and you know it. So the blame starts with the players who did it. I honestly would rather miss the playoffs without Manny than be in them with him. If the White Sox bring him in I'm not sure I can call myself a fan of this team...and just typing that makes me feel as though I'm losing an appendage. And I would never watch the Bulls if Lebron came here either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 11:47 AM) The important question is then can Pauly play the entire remainder of the season without a day off? Unless Teahen can play 1B? Teahen can. You can DFA kotsay because of Teahen's LH bat. Teahen can also spell CQ in RF if need be. He becomes the supersub along with Lilli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Apparently Dodgers did not put Manny on waivers again today. The wait continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Acquiring Ramirez isn't just claiming him. Once Manny is claimed, there still must be a deal worked out. Considering Ramirez will be a Type A free agent who will probably get at least a two-year deal somewhere if he decides to play next season, the Dodgers would likely offer him arbitration (unless the risk of him accepting the offer is one the club is simply unwilling to take) and recoup a supplemental first-round pick plus either a first- or second-round pick if he were to sign elsewhere. They'll expect a trade offer that beats the promise of two first-round picks, and won't trade him if they can't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:11 PM) Acquiring Ramirez isn't just claiming him. Once Manny is claimed, there still must be a deal worked out. Considering Ramirez will be a Type A free agent who will probably get at least a two-year deal somewhere if he decides to play next season, the Dodgers would likely offer him arbitration (unless the risk of him accepting the offer is one the club is simply unwilling to take) and recoup a supplemental first-round pick plus either a first- or second-round pick if he were to sign elsewhere. They'll expect a trade offer that beats the promise of two first-round picks, and won't trade him if they can't get it. There is zero chance that anyone risks him accepting arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) There is zero chance that anyone risks him accepting arbitration. Yeah not a chance in hell he gets arbitration. Doesn't he have a clause where its blocked anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:11 PM) Acquiring Ramirez isn't just claiming him. Once Manny is claimed, there still must be a deal worked out. Considering Ramirez will be a Type A free agent who will probably get at least a two-year deal somewhere if he decides to play next season, the Dodgers would likely offer him arbitration (unless the risk of him accepting the offer is one the club is simply unwilling to take) and recoup a supplemental first-round pick plus either a first- or second-round pick if he were to sign elsewhere. They'll expect a trade offer that beats the promise of two first-round picks, and won't trade him if they can't get it. Do you really think they would offer him arbitration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) There is zero chance that anyone risks him accepting arbitration. So they give him away to be out from under $4M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:19 PM) Do you really think they would offer him arbitration? Manny wants out of LA so bad it's thought his trip to the DL was a team timeout chair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 The "Manny could be claimed by the Sox" article appeared on the White Sox's facebook page and there were a bunch of people shouting it down "No!" "Never!" "He's an asshole!" I just don't understand. You're looking for baseball players to be role models, there's your first problem. I bet all these people loved A.J. Pierzynski over the past few years though, and he is a first-class asshole. Win me ballgames and then I'll tell you if I care about your personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 05:20 PM) Manny wants out of LA so bad it's thought his trip to the DL was a team timeout chair. If that was true he'd have been off the DL 3 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 05:19 PM) So they give him away to be out from under $4M? Absolutely yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:11 PM) Acquiring Ramirez isn't just claiming him. Once Manny is claimed, there still must be a deal worked out. Considering Ramirez will be a Type A free agent who will probably get at least a two-year deal somewhere if he decides to play next season, the Dodgers would likely offer him arbitration (unless the risk of him accepting the offer is one the club is simply unwilling to take) and recoup a supplemental first-round pick plus either a first- or second-round pick if he were to sign elsewhere. They'll expect a trade offer that beats the promise of two first-round picks, and won't trade him if they can't get it. I see Dodgers just letting him go, as he already said this is his last season in LA. Manny won't be playing for the Dodgers in 2011. Dodgers being out of it do not need Manny Ramirez and his salary. KW won't give up prospect to get Manny, maybe a low level throw in, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 05:21 PM) I see Dodgers just letting him go, as he already said this is his last season in LA. Manny won't be playing for the Dodgers in 2011. Dodgers being out of it do not need Manny Ramirez and his salary. KW won't give up prospect to get Manny, maybe a low level throw in, IMHO. The only way KW throws in a player is if the Dodgers throw in money. He'd be happy to claim him, and the Dodgers flat out don't want or need him right now. They need the $4 million more. If they're going to threaten to pull him back to get a legit player out of us, then we don't need him that badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:22 PM) The only way KW throws in a player is if the Dodgers throw in money. He'd be happy to claim him, and the Dodgers flat out don't want or need him right now. They need the $4 million more. If they're going to threaten to pull him back to get a legit player out of us, then we don't need him that badly. Agreed, however I do not understand, what are the Dodgers waiting for? Edited August 24, 2010 by justBLAZE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 7, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) Alex Rios had full no trade protection in 2009. Phillips continues to show why he is an ex-GM. One of many reasons. I think it's funny that ESPN replaced him with J.P. Ricciardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 05:24 PM) Agreed, however I do not understand, what are the Dodgers waiting for? First of all, they couldn't put ManRam on waivers until he was off the DL. Secondly...if they can get him in a game or two to prove he's healthy, it could increase the chances of someone actually claiming him. Third, they might not want to admit their season is over yet, we are all flat out guessing on their financial straits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:19 PM) So they give him away to be out from under $4M? With the McCorts divorce, they might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 04:33 PM) Third, they might not want to admit their season is over yet, we are all flat out guessing on their financial straits. Colleti said he doesn't like to concede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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