White Sox Acquire Manny Ramirez

[Steve9347]

Chicago White Sox close to obtaining Manny Ramirez from Los Angeles Dodgers

 

August 25, 2010

BY TONI GINNETTI Staff Reporter

 

The White Sox and Los Angeles Dodgers may be closing in on a deal to send Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez to the South Side in exchange for minor league prospects.

 

The deal appeared to be close Wednesday when reports surfaced that Ramirez was claimed by the Sox on waivers. The right-handed slugger must approve any potential deal because he has a no-trade clause in his contract. But Ramirez may have approved a move, having said he wants to return to the American League next season when he becomes a free agent.

 

The Dodgers appeared to be trying to negotiate a trade instead of allowing Ramirez to be claimed outright without compensation, with the Sox having only to pay his remaining salary.

 

Sources confirmed the Dodgers were reviewing scouting reports on some of the Sox minor league players in anticipation of a deal.

 

The Sox would have to assume some or all of the remainder of Ramirez’ contract, estimated at some $4 million. Ramirez’ best seasons were with the Cleveland Indians and Boston Red Sox.

 

White Sox general manager Ken Williams would not comment directly on trying to acquire Ramirez, but the Sox interest in him has been known since last month with reports the team tried to acquire him in a trade before the July 31 non-waiver deadline.

 

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Edited August 25, 2010 by Steve9347

[thedoctor]

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*boing*

[Cali]

I'm hoping any minor leaguers will be A ball no ones, especially if they're taking on salary....

[Jordan4life_2007]

It'd be pretty hypocritical of me to be against this move (if true) when I've been killing Ozzie/KW all year, especially since the trade deadline, about our current DH situation. I feel this team has exactly one last run in them. And if we do go down I'd like to go down with an empty gun. Manny's sporting an OPS of almost .900 and a wOBA of .384 in 227 PAs. That's a little more than a sample size. The guy can still rake. Steroids or not. It's more than worth the risk. Not to mention Manny will be playing for more than likely his last contract and should be pretty damn motivated.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I'm hoping any minor leaguers will be A ball no ones, especially if they're taking on salary....

 

That's our entire system anyway. Viciedo/Sale. After that, it's embarrassing.

[Balta1701]

That's our entire system anyway. Viciedo/Sale. After that, it's embarrassing.

No one from our 40 man roster can be traded without having to pass through waivers as well. That means Viciedo, Sale, Flowers, Harrell, Torres all aren't options.

[Jordan4life_2007]

No one from our 40 man roster can be traded without having to pass through waivers as well. That means Viciedo, Sale, Flowers, Harrell, Torres all aren't options.

 

I know that. Just trying to make a point. He's hoping it's a bunch of scrubs get dealt when that's the entire system anyway.

[IamtheHBOMB]

If we get Manny, I will definitely be going to a few more games this season to watch him hit. I'm glad that KW is making a big play to help this team down the stretch; a shakeup is needed.

 

He is a HUGE upgrade at DH, but it seems like most of the board is either indifferent or against it. Here's to hoping that Manny energizes the club.

 

[scenario]

Since I think of the Sun Times as only about 1/2 a step up from the National Enquirer... I'll wait until other sources confirm.

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

If we get Manny, I will definitely be going to a few more games this season to watch him hit. I'm glad that KW is making a big play to help this team down the stretch; a shakeup is needed.

 

He is a HUGE upgrade at DH, but it seems like most of the board is either indifferent or against it. Here's to hoping that Manny energizes the club.

 

Honestly, anybody against it loses all rights to say a thing about Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones.

[iamshack]

So this is presuming that Manny was placed on waivers sometime Monday morning/afternoon?

[Vote4Pedro]

Honestly, anybody against it loses all rights to say a thing about Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones.

+1

[Kyyle23]

So this is presuming that Manny was placed on waivers sometime Monday morning/afternoon?

 

I was gonna say, "damn that was fast"

[chw42]

Please be true, please be true, please be true.

[Dick Allen]

Honestly, anybody against it loses all rights to say a thing about Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones.

Why would that be? Also whats the guarantee that Manny is going to be very effective in September? He's 0-7 with 3 ks since coming back. Last Sept. he hit .218 and I would imagine since his right leg has landed him on the DL 3 times this season, there's probably a good chance he's going to be missing some games when he gets here. That's $4 million that could've and should've been spent last offseason.

 

Also there was a rumor going around the Sox claimed Trevor Hoffman on waivers. I don't know if its true, in fact, its probably not, but if true, they would pay Hoffman more for 1 month than DJ Carrasco would have cost for the entire season.

[chw42]

Why would that be? Also whats the guarantee that Manny is going to be very effective in September? He's 0-7 with 3 ks since coming back. Last Sept. he hit .218 and I would imagine since his right leg has landed him on the DL 3 times this season, there's probably a good chance he's going to be missing some games when he gets here. That's $4 million that could've and should've been spent last offseason.

 

Also there was a rumor going around the Sox claimed Trevor Hoffman on waivers. I don't know if its true, in fact, its probably not, but if true, they would pay Hoffman more for 1 month than DJ Carrasco would have cost for the entire season.

 

Ewww Trevor Hoffman. No way would I want his 5.5 FIP in this bullpen.

[Dick Allen]

So this is presuming that Manny was placed on waivers sometime Monday morning/afternoon?

Who knows. Maybe KW is working something out now so if he did claim him he wouldn't be liable for the entire balance of the contract. As far as I know, there are no rules against talking trade about guys not eligible to be dealt yet, but I suppose there could be.

 

It also may be exactly as you presume. He's been on waivers for a day or 2.

Edited August 25, 2010 by Dick Allen

[Jordan4life_2007]

Why would that be? Also whats the guarantee that Manny is going to be very effective in September? He's 0-7 with 3 ks since coming back. Last Sept. he hit .218 and I would imagine since his right leg has landed him on the DL 3 times this season, there's probably a good chance he's going to be missing some games when he gets here. That's $4 million that could've and should've been spent last offseason.

 

Also there was a rumor going around the Sox claimed Trevor Hoffman on waivers. I don't know if its true, in fact, its probably not, but if true, they would pay Hoffman more for 1 month than DJ Carrasco would have cost for the entire season.

 

DA, there is no guarantee. He could go end of '09 Jermaine Dye on us. But would you rather go with the guarantee that Kotsay/Jones will continue to be inept or that one of the top offensive forces in the history of the game can do what he's done his whole career? I'm not looking for 1999 Manny. I want a Manny that can get us to the playoffs. As far as the 4 million goes, I say f*** it. We've got a 4/5 starter making over 8 million in Edwin Jackson next year. We added Peavy/Rios last year when KW basically said he was broke. I've given up trying to figure out this team's resources and how they choose to allocate them.

[Dick Allen]

DA, there is no guarantee. He could go end of '09 Jermaine Dye on us. But would you rather go with the guarantee that Kotsay/Jones will continue to be inept or that one of the top offensive forces in the history of the game can do what he's done his whole career? I'm not looking for 1999 Manny. I want a Manny that can get us to the playoffs. As far as the 4 million goes, I say f*** it. We've got a 4/5 starter making over 8 million in Edwin Jackson next year. We added Peavy/Rios last year when KW basically said he was broke. I've given up trying to figure out this team's resources and how they choose to allocate them.

Finances aside, and its common knowledge I believe the Sox have a lot more money than they let on, as does Forbes. In fact, these leaked balance sheets the past couple of days seem to make Forbes numbers even more believable, and another owner who claims he breaks even every season, and didn't have the resources to help pay a bigger portion of the bill for their new ballpark, Mr. Loria, was caught making $50 million. I just think spending $4 million to have a broken down Manny Ramirez on your roster for maybe 30 games, and who knows how many of those he would actually be in the line up, could've and should've been so much better, but the White Sox continue with the build the club during the season when they admit no one wants to do anything for at least 60 games, then the deadline is there and teams are asking for too much.

[RockRaines]

DA, there is no guarantee. He could go end of '09 Jermaine Dye on us. But would you rather go with the guarantee that Kotsay/Jones will continue to be inept or that one of the top offensive forces in the history of the game can do what he's done his whole career? I'm not looking for 1999 Manny. I want a Manny that can get us to the playoffs. As far as the 4 million goes, I say f*** it. We've got a 4/5 starter making over 8 million in Edwin Jackson next year. We added Peavy/Rios last year when KW basically said he was broke. I've given up trying to figure out this team's resources and how they choose to allocate them.

Exactly, there is a 100% chance that he is better than Jones and Kotsay if he's healthy. The White Sox spent the 3rd least in offseason FA additions, they have cash.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Another quick question about waivers.

 

Do they wait until the 48 hours are over to award the claim, or just until all teams have submitted a response? I would think a team like the Twins would wait until the last second to make their decision so the Sox have to wait longer to get Manny into the line-up. I find it hard to believe he was placed on waivers today, and the Sox have already been awarded the claim.

[Dick Allen]

Exactly, there is a 100% chance that he is better than Jones and Kotsay if he's healthy. The White Sox spent the 3rd least in offseason FA additions, they have cash.

If he's healthy. I'm guessing he's not. There are a lot of players who would be an upgrade at the DH spot right now who you wouldn't have to pay $4 million to roll the dice.

Edited August 25, 2010 by Dick Allen

[RockRaines]

If he's healthy. I'm guessing he's not. There are a lot of players who would be an upgrade at the DH spot right now who you wouldn't have to pay $4 million to roll the dice.

Then the Sox wont pick him up, its as simple as that. I am guessing he's at least healthy enough to DH which makes us alot better of a team.

[Dick Allen]

Another quick question about waivers.

 

Do they wait until the 48 hours are over to award the claim, or just until all teams have submitted a response? I would think a team like the Twins would wait until the last second to make their decision so the Sox have to wait longer to get Manny into the line-up. I find it hard to believe he was placed on waivers today, and the Sox have already been awarded the claim.

Its 49 hours until a claim is awarded. You don't have to check no, so if something happens in the next day or so where you may want to put a claim in, you can.

[Dick Allen]

Then the Sox wont pick him up, its as simple as that. I am guessing he's at least healthy enough to DH which makes us alot better of a team.

I hope he does better this September than last.

 

I think even his biggest admirers would admit its at least a little sad when a guy getting paid over $20 million a year to do something has to have some sort of carrot put in front of his nose to get "motivated".

Edited August 25, 2010 by Dick Allen