Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:58 PM) He could have. I'm not in his mind, but knowing A.J., it's not entirely impossible. Even if AJ thought for sure the ball was caught...it was close enough that running towards 1b was the right call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 04:59 PM) Honestly you really can't, since your the only one who thinks it is/was cheating. I personally don't think it is cheating, that's why I said you COULD argue either way. I've heard a million different view points on this topic, and everybody has a different perspective on what cheating is in baseball. It's a debatable topic. At the least, you can call the A.J. incident extremely controversial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 06:03 PM) It's a debatable topic. At the least, you can call the A.J. incident extremely controversial. Everyone will agree on that. I just think there's zero way to say that AJ cheated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 04:03 PM) I personally don't think it is cheating, that's why I said you COULD argue either way. I've heard a million different view points on this topic, and everybody has a different perspective on what cheating is in baseball. It's a debatable topic. At the least, you can call the A.J. incident extremely controversial. You said CAN not COULD.. I mean honestly most forms of cheating is part of the game. Spit balls/scuffing the ball (vaseline, cream, etc..), pine tar, corked bats, etc.. Hell Joe Mauer still gives signs to hitters what pitches are thrown when he is on second base. PEDs just so happened to be new so it was more scrutinized in the game (and in alot of ways.. rightfully so). Happens in alot of sports. It's not cheating if you don't get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:56 PM) It's not being a crabby guy thinking an idea that would embarrass the Sox fan base is a bad idea. Your idea was classless and not a good thing to do on any count. Chanting Manny when Ozzie brings the lineup card out ... that is funny. Embarrass the Sox fan base? So any time a fan boos a player, it's "embarrassing the fan base"? Gimmie a break man.... And it wasn't "my idea". Edited August 27, 2010 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:08 PM) Everyone will agree on that. I just think there's zero way to say that AJ cheated Now that I think about it, I should reword my original post about that. A.J.'s pretty much known as somebody who will bend the rules or try go get around them. Maybe even "dirty" if you want to go that far. And all of that has to do with morality - is he doing the right thing by doing such things? You can also relate that to PEDs, as in, are these players doing the right thing by taking PEDs? Both have a moral aspect to it, yet Greg is fine with A.J., but not so much with the latter group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 04:50 PM) Or struck out and pretended he didn't... That isn't cheating. If it is, then OFers who pretend they will catch a fly-ball to freeze a runner is cheating. Faking to 3rd and throwing to 1st is cheating. A 2B/SS pretending a ball went into the OF on a steal throw is cheating. AJ wasn't tagged, so he ran to first. The catcher did not tag or throw the ball to first and it was ruled it hit the dirt. How you can even call that cheating is ridiculous. Cheating would be hitting the ball out of a guys glove, not running out a dropped 3rd strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:14 PM) That isn't cheating. If it is, then OFers who pretend they will catch a fly-ball to freeze a runner is cheating. Faking to 3rd and throwing to 1st is cheating. A 2B/SS pretending a ball went into the OF on a steal throw is cheating. AJ wasn't tagged, so he ran to first. The catcher did not tag or throw the ball to first and it was ruled it hit the dirt. How you can even call that cheating is ridiculous. Cheating would be hitting the ball out of a guys glove, not running out a dropped 3rd strike. Or an outfielder trapping a catch and arguing that he caught it, or a fielder applying a phantom tag and pretending like he tagged them, or a base runner throwing his arms out to say "safe" on a close play, or a catcher framing the ball back into the strike zone. All of these are things players do, and NONE of them are considered "cheating". What AJ did was in no way, shape, or form "cheating". He took advantage of a lazy catcher and an indecisive umpire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) yeah it's always good to embarrass a guy wearing the White Sox jersey. Really productive in mocking our own team while trying to beat the Yankees. Very smart. Oh, so funny as well. Totally agree. The man losing his job should be punishment enough for his performance, especially considering he's been put in the position to be ridiculed. If he'd been playing his proper role, I doubt anybody would have cared. It IS very classless to rub this guy's nose in it when it's only partially his fault. I'd be pretty disgusted if our fan base pulled something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:20 PM) Totally agree. The man losing his job should be punishment enough for his performance, especially considering he's been put in the position to be ridiculed. If he'd been playing his proper role, I doubt anybody would have cared. It IS very classless to rub this guy's nose in it when it's only partially his fault. I'd be pretty disgusted if our fan base pulled something like that. Oh man, you two really need a sense of humor.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpezz27 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Manny not in the Dodgers lineup tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (tpezz27 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) Manny not in the Dodgers lineup tonight. we can thank scotty pods for that - he's been playing well for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (tpezz27 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:30 PM) Manny not in the Dodgers lineup tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I'm on my phone right now so I can't read through this whole thing and it seems the conversation has nothing to do with the topic anymore. So could someone just summarize what the latest is here for me? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 06:27 PM) Oh man, you two really need a sense of humor.... Well, I mean, it's funny. If it was happening in Always Sunny or something, I'd laugh, but I'm just not into embarrassing real people who are doing their best and failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:34 PM) Well, I mean, it's funny. If it was happening in Always Sunny or something, I'd laugh, but I'm just not into embarrassing real people who are doing their best and failing. Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Manny not in line-up tonight, but IS in the clubhouse. Saying his goodbyes tonight? Would be awesome if he caught a flight to CHI tonight and was playing tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I think I read somewhere that the Dodgers were planning on waiting until Tuesday to make a deal just in case their wildcard fortunes changed between now and then. Don't they have a limited time to make a trade happen, though, since he was claimed and didn't pass through waivers? What is that time period, if it exists? Sorry, I'm at work avoiding the boss's eye, no time to read through everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:40 PM) I think I read somewhere that the Dodgers were planning on waiting until Tuesday to make a deal just in case their wildcard fortunes changed between now and then. Don't they have a limited time to make a trade happen, though, since he was claimed and didn't pass through waivers? What is that time period, if it exists? Sorry, I'm at work avoiding the boss's eye, no time to read through everything. 2 business days, but Saturday and Sunday don't count hence deadline is Tuesday at 12:30PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:40 PM) I think I read somewhere that the Dodgers were planning on waiting until Tuesday to make a deal just in case their wildcard fortunes changed between now and then. Don't they have a limited time to make a trade happen, though, since he was claimed and didn't pass through waivers? What is that time period, if it exists? Sorry, I'm at work avoiding the boss's eye, no time to read through everything. The trade must be done before Tuesday at 12:30 CST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 04:27 PM) WIN GAMES. It's entertainment. Save the morality and ethics soapbox for yourself and your children. THIS is the crux of the different camps on this argument. If, indeed, it's entertainment in a sporting atmosphere, AKA the World Wrestling Federation, then win at all cost and justify the means with a winning end. Enjoy the hell out of that. If, however, it's a sporting competition whereby the best athletes compete and those who play the best win, then the rules by which all agree to play matter. To me, that's sport. It would be fair to say the rules themselves, as constituted, don't provide for a truly even playing field. That's true. Lack of real revenue sharing creates a system whereby the Yankees can choose whomever they want for their team while the Pirates are left picking up scraps and watching their successful scraps leave for greener pastures when they can. That's just one example. But if the players are found cheating by taking or providing an unfair advantage and are allowed to again play the game, the cloud of "unfairness" remains with them. And so it remains with Manny Ramirez (among other characteristics I personally disdain...laziness and selfishness among them). That's why I don't want him playing for the team I love. I understand that others don't agree...that his ability to hit outweighs their sense of fairness and what's right. I just find that unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 06:42 PM) 2 business days, but Saturday and Sunday don't count hence deadline is Tuesday at 12:30PM. LMAO business days? What is that nonsense? How are Saturday and Sunday not "business days" in baseball? Silly. See, I thought the whole Tuesday thing was out the window because he didn't clear waivers. Pshh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 either way we have to wait. when we claimed rios we didn't get him till last day of time either. not really unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) I'm no fan of Kotsay's but he didn't do anything to deserve that type of (shabby) treatment from the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 Is there a way to set up a text alert somehow that will tell me that we officially obtained him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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