White Sox Acquire Manny Ramirez

[Dick Allen]

Didn't he just hit a couple of doubles his last night playing? Sounds like a smokescreen to me.

It could be a lot of things. It could be straight and he's not ready for the better pitching in the league. He could still be a huge injury risk in the field and they can't DH him. They may think they really have very little chance and want to sit him and if they lose 2 out of 3, dumping him won't seem so bad, if they win 2 or 3 and get closer, they can say they won without him. Its anyone's guess, and if Nightengale is right and the teams have not had trade discussions prior to the claim, dumping the financial obligation is a pretty big motivator IMO if you really think you are probably dead anyway or better off without him.

 

I couldn't have been more wrong with how I thought this scenerio was going to go, but if I was betting now I'd say Manny will be a White Sox if he agrees to come by Tuesday.

[bobryansson]

What does that have to do with anything? We're not looking to sign a long term deal with him. It's a rental for 2010.

Just another reason, lower among many, to not like or want him.

[Frank_Thomas]

stop listening (reading) to Jon Heyman

 

 

Just passing on info

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Manny is not in the lineup for the 3rd consecutive game.....

 

I am pretty sure they are just trying to keep him for injury at this point.

[chisox2334]

Heyman reporting what everyone has known. We will not know anything till Tuesday. It's and wait see mode.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Rosenthal has some interesting comments.....

 

Ken_Rosenthal

 

Another possibility on Manny: He wants $$$ to waive no-trade, neither team will give it to him and Dodgers are saying "If u won't go, u won't play." That is only speculation. More inclined to believe trade is in works.

[greg775]

Wouldn't a reverse jinx mean that what you say comes true?

 

Yes, when I go overboard and say the Sox will get swept, they do well, etc. When I feel we will win, losses mount.

I probably should stop it.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Yes, when I go overboard and say the Sox will get swept, they do well, etc. When I feel we will win, losses mount.

I probably should stop it.

 

Jinx = opposite outcome happens

 

Reverse = opposite

 

So, a reverse Jinx would be two opposites, so in fact, it would not be a jinx or reverse outcome at all......

[iamshack]

It could be a lot of things. It could be straight and he's not ready for the better pitching in the league. He could still be a huge injury risk in the field and they can't DH him. They may think they really have very little chance and want to sit him and if they lose 2 out of 3, dumping him won't seem so bad, if they win 2 or 3 and get closer, they can say they won without him. Its anyone's guess, and if Nightengale is right and the teams have not had trade discussions prior to the claim, dumping the financial obligation is a pretty big motivator IMO if you really think you are probably dead anyway or better off without him.

 

I couldn't have been more wrong with how I thought this scenerio was going to go, but if I was betting now I'd say Manny will be a White Sox if he agrees to come by Tuesday.

My guess is that they would rather avoid playing him so as to avoid injury, but the decision was not made very difficult Friday night, as he was 1-13 lifetime against Ubaldo with like 7 K's. Does seem interesting though that they would sit him and yet not engage in any serious talks with us. One would think a healthy and productive Manny would help their bargaining position, at least a little. Additionally, they are probably worried he'll get a game winning walk-off hit or something, in which case it would be pretty impossible to move him afterwards because of PR and clubhouse implications.

[southsider2k5]

The crazy thing is that every week that goes by saves us about $500,000.

[Balta1701]

The crazy thing is that every week that goes by saves us about $500,000.

Unless we fall farther out of the race.

[Balta1701]

Update from nightengale, kindA:

 

BNightengale #mlb #dodgers Intriguing to see if Manny is in the lineup tonight against the Rockies. If not, Dodgers may be saying he's no longer wanted.

13 minutes ago

 

BNightengale #mlb #dodgers #whitesox Manny Ramirez has told friends that he will NOT require the White Sox to extend his contract if he's traded.,

21 minutes ago

To answer the question...no, Manny is not in the lineup tonight, for the 3rd day in a row. Joe Torre's using the large OF in Coors as an excuse.

 

If they don't let him go, basically, they're holding onto a $4 million pinch hitter, they clearly don't want him in the field. Buster Olney thinks they're just flat out trying to keep him from being hurt.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Buster_ESPN

 

Heard this:Right now, the Dodgers' intention is to not just dump Manny on the White Sox;CWS must make it worth their while with a prospect

 

 

 

And the saga continues....

[Balta1701]

Buster_ESPN

 

Heard this:Right now, the Dodgers' intention is to not just dump Manny on the White Sox;CWS must make it worth their while with a prospect

 

 

 

And the saga continues....

Their actions speak louder here.

[fathom]

If Sox are 5.5 games out come Monday or Tuesday, Manny and his contract while giving up prospects is just not worth it.

[T R U]

If Sox are 5.5 games out come Monday or Tuesday, Manny and his contract while giving up prospects is just not worth it.

 

Why, there is an entire month of baseball left.. anyone we give to the dodgers wont be worth a crap I can almost guarantee that.. and even if it somehow is, it will be because they are giving us some money..

[greg775]

If Sox are 5.5 games out come Monday or Tuesday, Manny and his contract while giving up prospects is just not worth it.

 

Not to be a negative prick, but I agree.

This is the second year in a row we may make an acquisition too late to mean s***.

By the time Peavy started pitching, we were buried.

I mean if we are 6 out on Tuesday, why would we want Manny ... unless we also want him the following season, which frankly, is possible.

[caulfield12]

The question is, what prospect do we even have in our system worth $1 million to another team?

 

It's not going to be Mitchell, Thompson or Viciedo....that leaves who? Tyler Flowers? I just can't see who we're going to trade that will "discount" the cash that we're going to have to pay Ramirez significantly.

 

If I'm Coletti, I would ask for Sergio Santos probably...and there's no way KW can do that with the pen in shambles.

[greg775]

The crazy thing is, as much as it would have been nice to have Manny for this series (if we indeed were going to acquire him eventually anyway), the offense hasn't been the problem at all.

Tonight's game is such a wasted opportunity, since we scored so many runs. But Danks sucked.

[LittleHurt05]

The question is, what prospect do we even have in our system worth $1 million to another team?

 

It's not going to be Mitchell, Thompson or Viciedo....that leaves who? Tyler Flowers? I just can't see who we're going to trade that will "discount" the cash that we're going to have to pay Ramirez significantly.

 

If I'm Coletti, I would ask for Sergio Santos probably...and there's no way KW can do that with the pen in shambles.

 

Tyler Flowers and Sergio Santos are both on the 40 man roster, so they would have to clear waivers to be traded, which would not happen. They will not be involved in a trade for Manny

[Quin]

The question is, what prospect do we even have in our system worth $1 million to another team?

 

It's not going to be Mitchell, Thompson or Viciedo....that leaves who? Tyler Flowers? I just can't see who we're going to trade that will "discount" the cash that we're going to have to pay Ramirez significantly.

 

If I'm Coletti, I would ask for Sergio Santos probably...and there's no way KW can do that with the pen in shambles.

 

Or the fact that Sergio would have to make it through waivers, and the Orioles would claim him.

 

The best that Kenny would part with and the Dodgers could get would be Morel.

[Frank_Thomas]

More from LA beat writer;

 

dylanohernandez "If for some reason, one of our players is not on this team, that doesn’t mean we’re throwing up the white flag," Joe Torre said. #Dodgers

about 5 hours ago

 

dylanohernandez #Manny is 1 for 8 in his career against Jason Hammel, who starts tomorrow for the #Rockies.

about 5 hours ago

 

dylanohernandez Torre was non-committal when asked if #Manny would be in the #Dodgers' lineup tomorrow.

about 5 hours ago

[Frank_Thomas]

Interesting article on dodger team site about manny. Here's the interesting quote I found, although it's been reported and said here, this is directly from the MLB site so it has some value:

 

"Ramirez was claimed off waivers Friday by the White Sox (Texas and Tampa also put in claims). The Dodgers have until Tuesday morning to deal him and the remaining $4.3 million on his contract to Chicago or keep him.

 

It's been speculated that Ramirez is demanding a contract extension to approve a trade and the White Sox are balking. Perhaps his benching convinces Ramirez that moving on to be a White Sox DH without a contract extension is a better career move than sitting with the Dodgers."

[greg775]

Don't you guys wish we'd acquired a Manny type player right after the break when we were in first place?

Why do we always gotta wait so long?

I know ... Berkman, Mr. DL turned down the trade.

[dmbjeff]

Don't you guys wish we'd acquired a Manny type player right after the break when we were in first place?

Why do we always gotta wait so long?

I know ... Berkman, Mr. DL turned down the trade.

 

we could of overpaid for dunn but longterm it just wasn't worth it. KW did all he could to get dunn. now why we haven't obtained adam laroche i will never know. he seemed so damn logical for this team.