iamshack Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) I told you why! Economy and $$$$ No one is going to claim him with the fear of the Dodgers giving Manny away to save money. Multiple GM's said money is an issue on MLB Network the last week of July on all they're trade shows. It is the real deal. Economy and money are the same things. Your reasoning is a bit overly simplistic, don't you think? Don't believe everything you see on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 07:42 PM) IF the price is $6-$7 million, then the Giants will claim him if he gets that far. Again, why? Where is he going to play? They need a bat, they don't need Mannywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:38 PM) Economy and money are the same things. Your reasoning is a bit overly simplistic, don't you think? Don't believe everything you see on tv. No teams took on monster salaries. The baseball sources I have with the Phillies say it's across the league. Edited August 4, 2010 by AWhiteSoxinNJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:38 PM) Again, why? Where is he going to play? They need a bat, they don't need Mannywood. Bat = Manny. At least this is how we all see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 09:40 PM) Bat = Manny. At least this is how we all see it. For 1.5 months in a pennant race, that's how any team needing a bat (and even better, a bat that can be stuck at corner OF) will look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) Bat = Manny. At least this is how we all see it. Manny is not going to the Giants. I'd bet my house on it, I know it as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 09:39 PM) No teams took on monster salaries. The baseball sources I have with the Phillies say it's across the league. $6 million is NOT a monster salary. Yes, lots of teams have financial restrictions. A lot of those same teams took on salary at the deadline (Dodgers, Rangers, Phillies, White Sox, Yankees, etc.). How many times does KW cry poor right before adding salary? If you think a $6 million salary is the difference between winning a pennant and missing the playoffs, you'll pick that guy up in a second. The added ticket sales will cover it easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:39 PM) No teams took on monster salaries. The baseball sources I have with the Phillies say it's across the league. Oh good lord... I agree most teams aren't looking to throw away money right now. But that is very, very general. You can never underestimate a team that thinks one more piece will get them over the top... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) I told you why! Economy and $$$$ No one is going to claim him with the fear of the Dodgers giving Manny away to save money. Multiple GM's said money is an issue on MLB Network the last week of July on all they're trade shows. It is the real deal, i've said it in 5 posts already in the this thread. I've statement my opinion in all of those threads. And if you didn't know LeBrun was going to play for Miami, then shame on you. It was a done deal 6 months ago. I agree. If teams have $6-7 million to spend on a loose cannon, despite his talent, for a third of the season they have a lot of explaining to do. If the Sox were willing to pay that much they wouldn't have screwed around with their lowball offer. Manny can hit, but there's some question marks. Attitude, health, both getting healthy and staying healthy, and while he's been good since his PED bust, he's certainly not what he was. I can't see the White Sox pay a guy that kind of money for 50 games to DH when they wouldn't give others that for an entire season. Manny has good numbers in limited ABs but certainly not eye popping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:41 PM) For 1.5 months in a pennant race, that's how any team needing a bat (and even better, a bat that can be stuck at corner OF) will look at it. Over Torres, Rowand, Huff? Besides, Giants will claim Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:42 PM) $6 million is NOT a monster salary. Yes, lots of teams have financial restrictions. A lot of those same teams took on salary at the deadline (Dodgers, Rangers, Phillies, White Sox, Yankees, etc.). How many times does KW cry poor right before adding salary? If you think a $6 million salary is the difference between winning a pennant and missing the playoffs, you'll pick that guy up in a second. The added ticket sales will cover it easily. $6 million + plus the Manny circus isn't worth it if he doesn't want to play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 09:43 PM) I agree. If teams have $6-7 million to spend on a loose cannon, despite his talent, for a third of the season they have a lot of explaining to do. If the Sox were willing to pay that much they wouldn't have screwed around with their lowball offer. Manny can hit, but there's some question marks. Attitude, health, both getting healthy and staying healthy, and while he's been good since his PED bust, he's certainly not what he was. I can't see the White Sox pay a guy that kind of money for 50 games to DH when they wouldn't give others that for an entire season. Manny has good numbers in limited ABs but certainly not eye popping. THe Sox lowball offer was to get the Dodgers talking and see if there was anything there. If the Dodgers had fired back with "we'll give you him for nothing if you take on the full salary", I think he'd be on the Sox right now. Instead, the Dodgers asked for Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:43 PM) I agree. If teams have $6-7 million to spend on a loose cannon, despite his talent, for a third of the season they have a lot of explaining to do. If the Sox were willing to pay that much they wouldn't have screwed around with their lowball offer. Manny can hit, but there's some question marks. Attitude, health, both getting healthy and staying healthy, and while he's been good since his PED bust, he's certainly not what he was. I can't see the White Sox pay a guy that kind of money for 50 games to DH when they wouldn't give others that for an entire season. Manny has good numbers in limited ABs but certainly not eye popping. This. Phillies sources feel that Manny would clear for sure. Same source that said Oswalt would be a Phillie when St. Louis was the favorite, same source that said White Sox were hot after Dunn before it was reported by media, and said they shifted to Berkman before any media reported. Search my posts and you'll find it. Edited August 4, 2010 by AWhiteSoxinNJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:39 PM) No teams took on monster salaries. The baseball sources I have with the Phillies say it's across the league. The Yankees took on a bunch of salary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:43 PM) I agree. If teams have $6-7 million to spend on a loose cannon, despite his talent, for a third of the season they have a lot of explaining to do. If the Sox were willing to pay that much they wouldn't have screwed around with their lowball offer. Manny can hit, but there's some question marks. Attitude, health, both getting healthy and staying healthy, and while he's been good since his PED bust, he's certainly not what he was. I can't see the White Sox pay a guy that kind of money for 50 games to DH when they wouldn't give others that for an entire season. Manny has good numbers in limited ABs but certainly not eye popping. Oh not this again...you and your obsession with money...do you realize the owners of baseball teams have access to all sorts of credit lines and loans etc? I cannot understand how you can possibly view the finances of a MLB team as some cookie jar that is either empty or is not.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) The Yankees took on a bunch of salary The Dodgers took on a ton, the braves took on some, the White Sox took on some, the Phillies took on half of Oswalt's contract, the Cardinals took on Westbrook's salary, the Padres took on Ludwick's, about 5 teams wanted to add Dunn's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:46 PM) This. Phillies sources feel that Manny would clear for sure. Same source that said Oswalt would be a Phillie when St. Louis was the favorite, same source that said White Sox were hot after Dunn. My godparents in Italy knew the white sox were hot after Dunn. Gmafb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:48 PM) My godparents in Italy knew the white sox were hot after Dunn. Gmafb. Yet I had it before any media member. I had Berkman before any media member. My source is top notch. Edited August 4, 2010 by AWhiteSoxinNJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:47 PM) Oh not this again...you and your obsession with money...do you realize the owners of baseball teams have access to all sorts of credit lines and loans etc? I cannot understand how you can possibly view the finances of a MLB team as some cookie jar that is either empty or is not.. It's all about money.....trust me. Look around, many, many empty stadiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 01:49 AM) Yet I had it before any media member. I had Berkman before any media member. My source is top notch. LOL, we've literally been after both of those guys for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:49 PM) Yet I had it before any media member. I had Berkman before any media member. My source is top notch. What you had is a bunch of obvious generalities that you've been jumping up and down flapping your gums about. Let me guess, you know we inquired about Luke Scott too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:45 PM) THe Sox lowball offer was to get the Dodgers talking and see if there was anything there. If the Dodgers had fired back with "we'll give you him for nothing if you take on the full salary", I think he'd be on the Sox right now. Instead, the Dodgers asked for Viciedo. You just answered the question. So if the Sox are willing to pay his entire contract, why did they not offer to do it before the deadline? Its really not KWs style to mess around with lowball offers, especially with the deadline rapidly approaching. The only way they claim him is if they have something worked out with LA in which LA would guarantee they wouldn't just award him the contract and have a deal worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:51 PM) It's all about money.....trust me. Look around, many, many empty stadiums. You are on crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:51 PM) What you had is a bunch of obvious generalities that you've been jumping up and down flapping your gums about. Let me guess, you know we inquired about Luke Scott too? If he had, I would of said. If and when Manny goes unclaimed or is claimed by the White Sox, I want a formal apology for all the garbage your talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 09:51 PM) It's all about money.....trust me. Look around, many, many empty stadiums. You say that as though the empty stadiums in places like Pittsburgh, KC, Cleveland, Florida, Oakland, and Toronto are anything new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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