SoxFan562004 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (The Beast @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:12 PM) Who was the other guy? I can't even come close to even hinting at my source on it so I can't say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:14 PM) Also there is this thing called a physical to see if Manny is good to play. A physical isn't going to tell you how susceptible his body is to muscle strains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsgdf_2 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (The Beast @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:12 PM) Who was the other guy? Bobby's one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) Yeah - nobody wanted to touch Thome because of his back issues... Nobody wanted to touch Thome because he had about $45 million on his deal for 2006-2008 and the Phils weren't going to give him up for free. Gio and Rowand is a legitimate offer for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:14 AM) A physical isn't going to tell you how susceptible his body is to muscle strains. Which are a lot less likely to occur when you're not throwing, running routes, jumping and diving and straining to make defensive plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) Manny's injury worries me cause it sounds like it could come back at any time. But if that checks out, I would love the move. Even if he heals completely from this calf injury, he's in that position where straining a muscle for him might be as regular of a behavior as getting out of bed. He could probably strain a muscle while doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsgdf_2 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:15 PM) Nobody wanted to touch Thome because he had about $45 million on his deal for 2006-2008 and the Phils weren't going to give him up for free. Gio and Rowand is a legitimate offer for him. Right... which all would have been fine if he didn't have a bad back that kept him from playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:15 PM) Bobby's one. wow, this is the first i've heard his name mentioned with PED's but it wouldn't surprise me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:15 PM) Which are a lot less likely to occur when you're not throwing, running routes, jumping and diving and straining to make defensive plays. Yeah but he won't be allowed to use a Segway to round the bases. Come on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:15 PM) Which are a lot less likely to occur when you're not throwing, running routes, jumping and diving and straining to make defensive plays. Very few of those are actually done by Manny Ramirez on a regular basis anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Hey... maybe we should trade for Ted Lilly and then flip him to the Dodgers for Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 For the guys that don't like the juicing, fine, I won't even try to convince you. But the guys concerned about the injuries....look, if it's Manny or nothing, assuming we give up none of Viciedo/Flowers/Mitchell, what do you care if we take the risk? Isn't it worth taking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 KW would consult with OZ and PK and Buerhls before s day like this. And prob has. Oz would love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 KW would consult with OZ and PK and Buerhls before s day like this. And prob has. Oz would love him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:17 PM) For the guys that don't like the juicing, fine, I won't even try to convince you. But the guys concerned about the injuries....look, if it's Manny or nothing, assuming we give up none of Viciedo/Flowers/Mitchell, what do you care if we take the risk? Isn't it worth taking? Ultimately yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsgdf_2 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:16 PM) Right... which all would have been fine if he didn't have a bad back that kept him from playing. Here... some stuff from Will Carroll: "The Summary: Herm Schneider's staff could argue they deserve another Dick Martin Award after another great year in 2009. They belong at the top of any discussion about how an effective medical staff can contribute to a winning team. Despite "heavy" workloads on the starting staff and a bullpen that is made up of guys with thick medical files prior to coming to the Sox, they all just seem to cruise along. Jim Thome and Jermaine Dye were kept healthy and productive despite chronic problems. The one black spot on last year was the plantar fasciitis that sidelined Carlos Quentin. There's no one, aside from Albert Pujols, that has played through that, so it's hard to knock the Sox here. If they can get Quentin back and keep up the rest of their work, the South (Side) may rise again." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:18 PM) KW would consult with OZ and PK and Buerhls before s day like this. And prob has. Oz would love him. I wish he wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:17 PM) For the guys that don't like the juicing, fine, I won't even try to convince you. But the guys concerned about the injuries....look, if it's Manny or nothing, assuming we give up none of Viciedo/Flowers/Mitchell, what do you care if we take the risk? Isn't it worth taking? Just like I'd rather have Hudson pitching than Jackson, I'd rather have Viciedo get the at bats than Manny. Of course, what's actually going to happen in either case is that whoever you get will platoon with Kotsay. And Hell, with Manny, we might not have a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:16 AM) Yeah but he won't be allowed to use a Segway to round the bases. Come on! Right, running the bases is his only concern really. Sometime Jim f***ing Thome who was too injury prone to play 1st base could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) Isn't it worth taking? What about this question... Is Manny ( and his risk ) better than LaRoche? To answer your question... If it is Manny or nothing - yes. Of course, it's well worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:19 PM) Right, running the bases is his only concern really. Sometime Jim f***ing Thome who was too injury prone to play 1st base could do. At least hopefully...Thome didn't have the "20 years of juicing" issue to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsgdf_2 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 A little more from Carroll and the link: The Cost: The White Sox were one of the few teams to be well below the league average in 2009, losing only $3 million due to injury. Chicago has consistently been one of the more successful teams in the dollars lost category; losing $19.7 million over the last three years. The vast majority of last year's injury cost came from the 48 days that Chicago's prized 2009 additon, Jake Peavy, was on the disabled list. Peavy's 2009 count for the Sox was $2.1 million. Chicago brought in the huge contracts of Peavy and Alex Rios last season, and it's not too hard to think that the training staff's strong work the last few years allowed them to absorb the extra $116 million. The Sox saved nearly $11 million dollars compared to the rest of the league, and they spent the money this offseason by giving Mark Teahen and J.J. Putz a combined $17 million. Whether that money has been well-spent can be debated, but the training staff sure has allowed them to be able to spend the money. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=10137 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:20 PM) At least hopefully...Thome didn't have the "20 years of juicing" issue to deal with. I'm not asking this to argue or agree with you, just since you are passionate about juicers, have you seen "Bigger, Faster, Stronger"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:21 PM) I'm not asking this to argue or agree with you, just since you are passionate about juicers, have you seen "Bigger, Faster, Stronger"? The Daft Punk video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:21 PM) I'm not asking this to argue or agree with you, just since you are passionate about juicers, have you seen "Bigger, Faster, Stronger"? Can't say I've heard of it, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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