Waiver Wire Thread

[macsandz]

Another thing people have to keep in mind is if the White Sox are sending anyone back in a trade, if its a player on the 40 man roster, they must clear waivers as well, so a guy like Flowers, for as bad as he's been, has very little chance unless he's going to Baltimore.

 

It could be a claim or a trade. Rios was a straight claim as a salary dump and that could happen again this season. More likely that it's a trade but if a team wants out from under a big contract, they aren't gonna demand a 40 man player.

[macsandz]

Please explain this logic to me.

 

I would be completely shocked if Kenny doesn't add a bat next month.

[Balta1701]

I would be completely shocked if Kenny doesn't add a bat next month.

You could have said that every month since late January.

[scenario]

You could have said that every month since late January.

 

True. But nobody gets rid of bats before the all-star game... not quality ones anyway.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

If the Red Sox don't get closer soon, they may want to stop paying Big Papi.

[whitesoxfan101]

If the Red Sox don't get closer soon, they may want to stop paying Big Papi.

 

It's possible. I'm definitely a fan of the Red Sox and Dodgers losing games right now (although not today for Boston with them playing the Tigers).

Edited August 1, 2010 by whitesoxfan101

[BigSqwert]

Alex Gordon showing some pop since being called back up.

[Vance Law]

Can someone explain the particulars with Detroit or Minny potentially "blocking" someone from getting to us. They can put in a claim on somebody (say Derek Lee for example). They can then either move forward with acquiring Lee if the Cubs were actually intending to move him (like Rios last year) or they can remove their claim, correct? At that point no one has claimed Lee and can't the Cubs just attempt to send him through waivers again? The same team that just removed the claim they made on Lee couldn't do the same thing again, correct?

 

Am I right in thinking that the only way to "block" someone from getting to the Sox is for that team to actually acquire the player?

[Balta1701]

Can someone explain the particulars with Detroit or Minny potentially "blocking" someone from getting to us. They can put in a claim on somebody (say Derek Lee for example). They can then either move forward with acquiring Lee if the Cubs were actually intending to move him (like Rios last year) or they can remove their claim, correct? At that point no one has claimed Lee and can't the Cubs just attempt to send him through waivers again? The same team that just removed the claim they made on Lee couldn't do the same thing again, correct?

 

Am I right in thinking that the only way to "block" someone from getting to the Sox is for that team to actually acquire the player?

If a player is put on revocable waivers, the rest of the league has just over 2 days (it's like 49 hours) for all of the other 29 teams to put in a claim on that player.

 

If zero teams put a claim on that player, then the player has cleared waivers and can be used in a trade for other players that have cleared waivers or other people who have not yet made a team's 40 man roster.

 

If 1 team claims the player, the original team (let's say the Dodgers) can either pull the player back (revocable waivers) or they can let that player walk, with the team putting the claim in assuming all remaining obligations on the players contract (Rios to us last year). If the team decides to let him go, and you really didn't want the player, you're screwed; you can't take back a waiver claim if the team lets him go.

 

Alternatively, the Dodgers and the Sox could, prior to that 49 hour deadline, work out a trade, again involving other players that can clear waivers or not on the 40 man roster.

 

If 2 teams put in a claim on the same guy, then that's the tiebreaker you mention. If 2 teams put in a claim on a player, then the first tie-breaker is being in the same league. If the Braves and the White Sox both put in a claim on Manny, then the Braves are the only team that matters. The 2nd tie-breaker is records; the weaker team gets him. If the Braves and the Pirates both put a claim in on Manny, the Pirates would be the team that gets him. So, from an NL team, it goes worst to best in the NL, then worst to best in the AL. If the Yankees and the White Sox both put in a claim on Manny, the White Sox would get him.

[Kalapse]

Can someone explain the particulars with Detroit or Minny potentially "blocking" someone from getting to us. They can put in a claim on somebody (say Derek Lee for example). They can then either move forward with acquiring Lee if the Cubs were actually intending to move him (like Rios last year) or they can remove their claim, correct? At that point no one has claimed Lee and can't the Cubs just attempt to send him through waivers again? The same team that just removed the claim they made on Lee couldn't do the same thing again, correct?

 

Am I right in thinking that the only way to "block" someone from getting to the Sox is for that team to actually acquire the player?

So between now and August 31st basically every player on a 40 man roster will be put on waivers at some point, sometimes it's to gauge interest, sometimes it's to sneak a player through so he can be traded. If say the Cubs put Derrek Lee on waivers every team in baseball has 47 hours to put in a claim, priority waiver claims goes to the NL first (since the Cubs are in the NL) starting with the team with the worst record through the team with the best record then to the AL team with the worst record and up to the AL team with the best record. So in this figurative scenario the Pirates would have #1 priority over the claim, San Diego 15th (thanks to their league best record, remember the Cubs don't count) and the White Sox would have 25th priority. Same goes for an AL claim, just the opposite.

 

Any player on the 40 man roster must clear waivers before being traded, any good young player placed on waivers will likely be claimed by most teams in baseball so they will then be pulled back off waivers by the club and can not be traded that season. Any player that makes it through waivers unclaimed can be traded at will to any club they choose.

 

So if Derrek Lee were out there and the Tigers or Twins thought the Sox had interest and wanted to block a claim they themselves could claim Derrek Lee. Then a number of options would be available:

 

1.) the Cubs could rescind the waiver on Lee, keeping him for the remainder of the season, you can only place a player on waivers ONCE

 

2.) they could work out a trade with the Tigers

 

3.) they could forfeit Derrek Lee's contract to the Tigers and Detroit would take on the entirety of his contract, this is the #1 reason a team would not attempt a block because they could end up being saddled with a s***ty contract all because they didn't want a division rival to MAYBE acquire said player.

 

So the Tigers or Twins could block the Sox from getting someone simply by putting in a claim

[Balta1701]

I think we just disagreed on the number of hours Kal.

[Kalapse]

I think we just disagreed on the number of hours Kal.

It's 47. I think mine is worded better, personally.

[Balta1701]

It's 47.

I knew it was closer to 2 days than 1

[macsandz]

So between now and August first basically every player on a 40 man roster will be put on waivers at some point, sometimes it's to gauge interest, sometimes it's to sneak a player through so he can be traded. If say the Cubs put Derrek Lee on waivers every team in baseball has 47 hours to put in a claim, priority waiver claims goes to the NL first (since the Cubs are in the NL) starting with the team with the worst record through the team with the best record then to the AL team with the worst record and up to the AL team with the best record. So in this figurative scenario the Pirates would have #1 priority over the claim, San Diego 15th (thanks to their league best record, remember the Cubs don't count) and the White Sox would have 25th priority. Same goes for an AL claim, just the opposite.

 

Any player on the 40 man roster must clear waivers before being traded, any good young player placed on waivers will likely be claimed by most teams in baseball so they will then be pulled back off waivers by the club and can not be traded that season. Any player that makes it through waivers unclaimed can be traded at will to any club they choose.

 

So if Derrek Lee were out there and the Tigers or Twins thought the Sox had interest and wanted to block a claim they themselves could claim Derrek Lee. Then a number of options would be available:

 

1.) the Cubs could rescind the waiver on Lee, keeping him for the remainder of the season, you can only place a player on waivers ONCE

 

2.) they could work out a trade with the Tigers

 

3.) they could forfeit Derrek Lee's contract to the Tigers and Detroit would take on the entirety of his contract, this is the #1 reason a team would not attempt a block because they could end up being saddled with a s***ty contract all because they didn't want a division rival to MAYBE acquire said player.

 

So the Tigers or Twins could block the Sox from getting someone simply by putting in a claim

 

Between now and August 31st, correct? Just don't want to to be any more confusing...

[Balta1701]

Between now and August 31st, correct? Just don't want to to be any more confusing...

Correct, August 31st.

 

Waiver wire trades can in fact be done after that but they're not eligible for the postseason roster (without the injury rule).

[BigSqwert]

So it's feasible that we could even get a bat this week via this process?

[Balta1701]

So it's feasible that we could even get a bat this week via this process?

Yes...it's plausible, but the odds are that it would require taking on a bad contract (a-la Rios last year).

 

For example, if you wanted to assume Alfonso Soriano's contract, I'll bet the Cubs would be absolutely thrilled if you claimed him.

[macsandz]

I wonder if the offer KW gave to LA was insulting enough to where if KW puts a claim in for him they pull him back and refuse to deal with him?

 

If The Dodgers fall out of it, they are likely hoping KW tries to acquire him so they can get financial relief. They are bleeding money these days.

[Balta1701]

If The Dodgers fall out of it, they are likely hoping KW tries to acquire him so they can get financial relief. They are bleeding money these days.

the dodgers took on $3 million or so in salary at the deadline and gave up some really solid talent to do so.

[BigSqwert]

If The Dodgers fall out of it, they are likely hoping KW tries to acquire him so they can get financial relief. They are bleeding money these days.

Which makes it even more odd that they weren't willing to let him go yesterday.

[macsandz]

So it's feasible that we could even get a bat this week via this process?

 

I think based on several factors, the Sox are very likely to make a trade for a bat this month:

 

1) Kenny traded for Berkman on Saturday. He absolutely wants a new bat.

 

2) Kenny had success last season in the waiver process. It's a slippery slope, but he's willing to work it.

 

3) Based on several efforts recently, JR is willing to commit money to acquisitions for the right player.

[macsandz]

Which makes it even more odd that they weren't willing to let him go yesterday.

 

No it doesn't. They want his bat for a playoff push.

[Kalapse]

I think based on several factors, the Sox are very likely to make a trade for a bat this month:

 

1) Kenny traded for Berkman on Saturday. He absolutely wants a new bat.

 

2) Kenny had success last season in the waiver process. It's a slippery slope, but he's willing to work it.

 

3) Based on several efforts recently, JR is willing to commit money to acquisitions for the right player.

Except normally the guy you pick up is playing poorly and severely overpaid, ala Rios last season who also happened to be horrible through the end of the season. Sure we had success but not immediately.

 

I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[macsandz]

Alex Gordon showing some pop since being called back up.

 

Gordon not really a candidate for a waiver trade. Think a late 20's/early 30's vet with a big contract on a team looking to dump salaries.

[macsandz]

Except normally the guy you pick up is playing poorly and severely overpaid, ala Rios last season who also happened to be horrible through the end of the season. Sure we had success but not immediately.

 

I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

 

 

Last year, in fact, was a pretty big year for August deals. With Rios going in a waiver claim to the White Sox, Toronto was drowning in bad paper. They wanted out of that deal. If Rios was playing reasonably well, they'd still want out from under him as evidenced by the straight claim without a trade. I think it's not always a guy having an awful year. Last year there were waivers trades of Carl Pavano to the Twins, Scott Kazmir to the Angels and Billy Wagner to the Red Sox.

 

I think availability might be more contract than production. They both are key as they each inform how far a player falls down the teams list. I look at a team like The Cubs. They are loaded with terrible deals and need relief.

 

I think a guy like Fukudome would be available to the Sox. Not saying he's the answer, but not the worst idea in the world. He gets on base and that's what this team needs more than power.

 

We don't need somebody to carry the team. Just put up a respectable OPS from either side.

Edited August 2, 2010 by bucket-of-suck