sox-r-us Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 IMHO, I think he genuinely wants this team to win the whole thing. So he pointed out something we Sox fans have been saying for years. Manuel does tend to burn through his bullpen and is very wierd in the way he handles bull pens throughout his tenure here with the Sox. He does the same thing with the batting line ups too, which is why we all call him tinkeroo. Now, I know White has not been stellar for us, but if you look at the last month or so, he has been excellent except for one outing (the one against the riyals in game 1). Everyone is due a bad game here and there, and I think he is key to our success down the stretch. I actually agree with White's assessment of Manuel's bullpen handling. Case in point, last night why would you not let Ginter finish it up. Why waste Koch last night. Agreed Koch has had his problems, but there was no need to use him yesterday in a blowout. Secondly, in a 19 day stretch, when we were losing a lot of games, Glover was never used. Believe me, Marte and Gordon might lose an arm one of these days. For God's sake, Manuel used Gordon and Marte even when we were blowing KC away in game 1 against the Royals. He needs to learn to rest some of the bullpen folks when a game is one-sided either way. I just do not get the animosity towards White just because he is being honest. I rather have players being honest than giving me BS cliches all the time. He cares, so he speaks up .....and he gets ripped by everyone.....in favor of a manager who it seems until recently did not care for anything in all of your opinions. At least White cares......hasn't the argument against Manuelk always been he does not care neither do any of these White Sox players (during the corpse stretch early int he season?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 he has been excellent except for one outing (the one against the riyals in game 1). So I really have to tell you what happened in TB? Did you forget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 So I really have to tell you what happened in TB? Did you forget? That was Koch who screwed up in TB in game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 For God's sake, Manuel used Gordon and Marte even when we were blowing KC away in game 1 against the Royals. Thats cuz he pitched Rick White first... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 That was Koch who screwed up in TB in game 1 Umm, think TB like Saturday. In the middle of the winning streak. Remember that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I just do not get the animosity towards White just because he is being honest. I rather have players being honest than giving me BS cliches all the time. How about the animosity for his high e.r.a. and his desire to blame someone other than himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 For God's sake, Manuel used Gordon and Marte even when we were blowing KC away in game 1 against the Royals. Thats cuz he pitched Rick White first... Yeah but you can bring in Wunsch or Ginter or Koch then right with a 3 run lead? Why use Marte and Gordon every game? I know these are big games but when you are leading by 3, it is not needed immediately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 Umm, think TB like Saturday. In the middle of the winning streak. Remember that? I actually missed that game so you may be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Yes you did. Tied game, White comes in and bam! 9-5 TB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 IMHO, I think he genuinely wants this team to win the whole thing. So he pointed out something we Sox fans have been saying for years. Manuel does tend to burn through his bullpen and is very wierd in the way he handles bull pens throughout his tenure here with the Sox. He does the same thing with the batting line ups too, which is why we all call him tinkeroo. Now, I know White has not been stellar for us, but if you look at the last month or so, he has been excellent except for one outing (the one against the riyals in game 1). Everyone is due a bad game here and there, and I think he is key to our success down the stretch. I actually agree with White's assessment of Manuel's bullpen handling. Case in point, last night why would you not let Ginter finish it up. Why waste Koch last night. Agreed Koch has had his problems, but there was no need to use him yesterday in a blowout. Secondly, in a 19 day stretch, when we were losing a lot of games, Glover was never used. Believe me, Marte and Gordon might lose an arm one of these days. For God's sake, Manuel used Gordon and Marte even when we were blowing KC away in game 1 against the Royals. He needs to learn to rest some of the bullpen folks when a game is one-sided either way. I just do not get the animosity towards White just because he is being honest. I rather have players being honest than giving me BS cliches all the time. He cares, so he speaks up .....and he gets ripped by everyone.....in favor of a manager who it seems until recently did not care for anything in all of your opinions. At least White cares......hasn't the argument against Manuelk always been he does not care neither do any of these White Sox players (during the corpse stretch early int he season?) I agree somewhat. My main problem with White is that he went to the media and said his s***. If u got a problem with the manager go to him. I get sick of these grown men crying to the media when they don't agree with something. Be a man and go to Jerry like a man and tell him what u think. And yes...Other then the Tampa Bay game and the 3 run hr he gave up on Tuesday he has been pitching better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Yes you did. Tied game, White comes in and bam! 9-5 TB... I think White had pitched 3 innings that game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 IMHO, I think he genuinely wants this team to win the whole thing. So he pointed out something we Sox fans have been saying for years. Manuel does tend to burn through his bullpen and is very wierd in the way he handles bull pens throughout his tenure here with the Sox. He does the same thing with the batting line ups too, which is why we all call him tinkeroo. Now, I know White has not been stellar for us, but if you look at the last month or so, he has been excellent except for one outing (the one against the riyals in game 1). Everyone is due a bad game here and there, and I think he is key to our success down the stretch. I actually agree with White's assessment of Manuel's bullpen handling. Case in point, last night why would you not let Ginter finish it up. Why waste Koch last night. Agreed Koch has had his problems, but there was no need to use him yesterday in a blowout. Secondly, in a 19 day stretch, when we were losing a lot of games, Glover was never used. Believe me, Marte and Gordon might lose an arm one of these days. For God's sake, Manuel used Gordon and Marte even when we were blowing KC away in game 1 against the Royals. He needs to learn to rest some of the bullpen folks when a game is one-sided either way. I just do not get the animosity towards White just because he is being honest. I rather have players being honest than giving me BS cliches all the time. He cares, so he speaks up .....and he gets ripped by everyone.....in favor of a manager who it seems until recently did not care for anything in all of your opinions. At least White cares......hasn't the argument against Manuelk always been he does not care neither do any of these White Sox players (during the corpse stretch early int he season?) I understand your point, and to some degree it is true, but when you speak up like White, then proceed to get ripped in your next 2 appearances afterwards, you aren't gonna be winning any fans over. He has been bad against TB and KC, with 7 ER in 2 IP max. Just because a player "cares" doesnt mean that he gets the benefit of the doubt when he pitches s***ty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 If he really "cared" about the team winning, why would be bash the teams manager to the media, before ever speaking to the manager about it? I think White is frustrated with his performance, has little control of his emotions, and took it out on Jerry at the wrong time, to the wrong source. Does he reall CARE about the sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 IMHO, I think he genuinely wants this team to win the whole thing. So he pointed out something we Sox fans have been saying for years. Manuel does tend to burn through his bullpen and is very wierd in the way he handles bull pens throughout his tenure here with the Sox. He does the same thing with the batting line ups too, which is why we all call him tinkeroo. Now, I know White has not been stellar for us, but if you look at the last month or so, he has been excellent except for one outing (the one against the riyals in game 1). Everyone is due a bad game here and there, and I think he is key to our success down the stretch. I actually agree with White's assessment of Manuel's bullpen handling. Case in point, last night why would you not let Ginter finish it up. Why waste Koch last night. Agreed Koch has had his problems, but there was no need to use him yesterday in a blowout. Secondly, in a 19 day stretch, when we were losing a lot of games, Glover was never used. Believe me, Marte and Gordon might lose an arm one of these days. For God's sake, Manuel used Gordon and Marte even when we were blowing KC away in game 1 against the Royals. He needs to learn to rest some of the bullpen folks when a game is one-sided either way. I just do not get the animosity towards White just because he is being honest. I rather have players being honest than giving me BS cliches all the time. He cares, so he speaks up .....and he gets ripped by everyone.....in favor of a manager who it seems until recently did not care for anything in all of your opinions. At least White cares......hasn't the argument against Manuelk always been he does not care neither do any of these White Sox players (during the corpse stretch early int he season?) I understand your point, and to some degree it is true, but when you speak up like White, then proceed to get ripped in your next 2 appearances afterwards, you aren't gonna be winning any fans over. He has been bad against TB and KC, with 7 ER in 2 IP max. Just because a player "cares" doesnt mean that he gets the benefit of the doubt when he pitches s***ty. I wonder how Paul Konerko was a supposed leader then since he spoke so much but did nothing to back it up other than one half of a season last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 IP H R ER BB K 7/26 2 1/3 6 5 5 2 0 7/29 2/3 3 3 3 0 0 His outing before the comments, and his outing after the comments. I don't think many of us really disagreed with what he said. We, at least I, just have a problem with him taking it to the media during a winning streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 IMHO, I think he genuinely wants this team to win the whole thing. So he pointed out something we Sox fans have been saying for years. Manuel does tend to burn through his bullpen and is very wierd in the way he handles bull pens throughout his tenure here with the Sox. He does the same thing with the batting line ups too, which is why we all call him tinkeroo. Now, I know White has not been stellar for us, but if you look at the last month or so, he has been excellent except for one outing (the one against the riyals in game 1). Everyone is due a bad game here and there, and I think he is key to our success down the stretch. I actually agree with White's assessment of Manuel's bullpen handling. Case in point, last night why would you not let Ginter finish it up. Why waste Koch last night. Agreed Koch has had his problems, but there was no need to use him yesterday in a blowout. Secondly, in a 19 day stretch, when we were losing a lot of games, Glover was never used. Believe me, Marte and Gordon might lose an arm one of these days. For God's sake, Manuel used Gordon and Marte even when we were blowing KC away in game 1 against the Royals. He needs to learn to rest some of the bullpen folks when a game is one-sided either way. I just do not get the animosity towards White just because he is being honest. I rather have players being honest than giving me BS cliches all the time. He cares, so he speaks up .....and he gets ripped by everyone.....in favor of a manager who it seems until recently did not care for anything in all of your opinions. At least White cares......hasn't the argument against Manuelk always been he does not care neither do any of these White Sox players (during the corpse stretch early int he season?) I understand your point, and to some degree it is true, but when you speak up like White, then proceed to get ripped in your next 2 appearances afterwards, you aren't gonna be winning any fans over. He has been bad against TB and KC, with 7 ER in 2 IP max. Just because a player "cares" doesnt mean that he gets the benefit of the doubt when he pitches s***ty. I wonder how Paul Konerko was a supposed leader then since he spoke so much but did nothing to back it up other than one half of a season last year Hmm...I may be wrong here, but I'm not, but PK hasn't said ANYTHING about why he was struggling this year. HE made no excuses, put all the blame on himself, didn't piss and moan when he wasnt playing. He handled it like a professional, something Rick White could learn. PK knew it was all on him, and even admitted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 You make good points. My animosity is because of White's performance. I don't want to see him on the mound or read his comments. I just want him to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I don't think many of us really disagreed with what he said. We, at least I, just have a problem with him taking it to the media during a winning streak. I agree 100% mreye. If it was Damaso on a losing streak, it wouldnt bother me. But its Rick White on a winning streak. Just shut the hell up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 you know... not EVERY pitcher can have sub 3 ERA's and be badass.. It just doesnt happen White is just not having a good year theres not much we can do aboutit but hope he gets his s*** straight. Till then there is no use complaining about him because he is gonna pitch how he pitches and thats all. Obviously we arent trading him and he is gonna be sticking around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 We can still grill him for suckin so darn much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Yeah of coarse you can.. I was just saying there isnt anything that we can do about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Yeah of coarse you can.. I was just saying there isnt anything that we can do about it I guess we can pray that he gets released, traded or killed (the last option for the really dirty minds out there )... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 well looks like traded isnt an option anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Isnt there some goofy rule where he can be traded if he clears waivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 white isnt going anywhere So our only hope is if he dies... but then who replaces him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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