fathom Posted September 10, 2010 Author Share Posted September 10, 2010 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 08:47 PM) outside of this year, Garland has been pretty meh since he left the Sox. Dude, he won a WS ring in '05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Let's sign up El Duque and go get the Bronze Titan. LETS DO THIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Garland is a slightly above-average to average innings eater. A valuable commodity in the major leagues. He has never had an injury of any significance, will give you 20-25 quality starts a year, and will give you a chance to win most ballgames in which he starts. Is he an ace? No. Is he a number 2? No. He's an NL #3 and and AL #4. Nothing to laugh at, nothing to marvel at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 06:41 PM) Garland is a slightly above-average to average innings eater. A valuable commodity in the major leagues. He has never had an injury of any significance, will give you 20-25 quality starts a year, and will give you a chance to win most ballgames in which he starts. Is he an ace? No. Is he a number 2? No. He's an NL #3 and and AL #4. Nothing to laugh at, nothing to marvel at. Trade Danks and Quentin for a very good RF and sign Garland on the cheap as the 5th starter? Peavy Jackson Buehrle Floyd Garland?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 09:52 PM) Dude, he won a WS ring in '05 If you guys don't think Garland has remained a good option since he left the Sox I can't help you. He's done fine. Meanwhile we keep losing arms. I happen to admire Hudson, Gio and Clayton Richard and Garland. Our pitching which always is supposed to revolutionize baseball continues to be average. Edited September 13, 2010 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Garland has been almost exactly average, nothing to mourn especially considering the Sox replaced him with a better pitcher pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 11:09 PM) Garland has been almost exactly average, nothing to mourn especially considering the Sox replaced him with a better pitcher pretty quickly. While true, he would still make a very good 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 03:33 PM) While true, he would still make a very good 5th starter. He was making too much to be merely a 5th starter. And even this year, he is making a good chunk of change just to be a 5th starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 04:42 PM) He was making too much to be merely a 5th starter. And even this year, he is making a good chunk of change just to be a 5th starter At least IMO...a "good 5th starter" is a guy who has an ERA somewhat below 5. Garland's well below that. If he's your 5th starter...then you've got a solid rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 It would certainly not hurt the team to have Garland in the rotation, I'm just saying it's not like KW traded away an ace or sold low on him or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 Well, another dominate start for Hudson. UGH! Why can't he just be awful to make the trade look a little better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 06:05 PM) Well, another dominate start for Hudson. UGH! Why can't he just be awful to make the trade look a little better? What exactly has Edwin Jackson done beside make more money to make this trade seem lopsided in Hudson's way? Was it pitching in (sort of, at least for a little bit) a pennant race while Hudson pitches (very well of course) for the dead last place D'backs? Seems pretty even to me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 08:05 PM) Well, another dominate start for Hudson. UGH! Why can't he just be awful to make the trade look a little better? It's bad when you've got to go back to the Danks/Floyd trades to find the last good one KW's made. QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 08:19 PM) What exactly has Edwin Jackson done beside make more money to make this trade seem lopsided in Hudson's way? Was it pitching in (sort of, at least for a little bit) a pennant race while Hudson pitches (very well of course) for the dead last place D'backs? Seems pretty even to me.... The "pressure of the pennant race" excuse is almost as lame as the "he's doing it in the NL" excuse." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:19 AM) What exactly has Edwin Jackson done beside make more money to make this trade seem lopsided in Hudson's way? Was it pitching in (sort of, at least for a little bit) a pennant race while Hudson pitches (very well of course) for the dead last place D'backs? Jackson was great for a month, but he's seemed to have faded down the stretch as well. All I know is we're about 3 months away from all wishing that KW would have never made that trade to use the extra money to fill the huge holes on this team that are going to open up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:21 AM) It's bad when you've got to go back to the Danks/Floyd trades to find the last good one KW's made. Yep, KW has been TERRIBLE at his job ever since the 2008 season ended. I don't really know how anyone could do worse. The returns on the Swisher and Vazquez trade really couldn't have been more mediocre, and has killed the depth in this franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 I'll check back in the trade after next season....A half a season is not a good barometer to judge this trade. Hell BOTH guys could suck next season, and it would still be an even trade haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 And for the "he's doing it in the NL"crowd. Keep in mind this is the SECOND time he's completely bamboozled the Reds. The same Reds that rank 5th, 4th, 5th, tied for 7th and 4th in BASEBALL in average, runs, home runs, obp and slg%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 08:27 PM) Yep, KW has been TERRIBLE at his job ever since the 2008 season ended. I don't really know how anyone could do worse. The returns on the Swisher and Vazquez trade really couldn't have been more mediocre, and has killed the depth in this franchise. Who needs depth? We won a world series without depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 08:32 PM) I'll check back in the trade after next season....A half a season is not a good barometer to judge this trade. Hell BOTH guys could suck next season, and it would still be an even trade haha Check in on this trade after 6 years, because that's how long the Sox would have had him under team control. And no it still doesnt negate the value if they both suck, because we atleast dont have another $8 million on our payroll next year. That is a huge hit considering our limitations and the big salaries we have on the team right now. Edited September 15, 2010 by bigruss22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 02:36 AM) Check in on this trade after 6 years, because that's how long the Sox would have had him under team control. And no it still doesnt negate the value if they both suck, because we atleast dont have another $8 million on our payroll next year. That is a huge hit considering our limitations and the big salaries we have on the team right now. Proud of you russ for this response!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 09:26 PM) Jackson was great for a month, but he's seemed to have faded down the stretch as well. All I know is we're about 3 months away from all wishing that KW would have never made that trade to use the extra money to fill the huge holes on this team that are going to open up. Faded down the stretch? lol Fathom love you but you're talking out of your ass right now. Jackson had one bad start (the most recent one) and the one before that was "OK" (7.1 IP, 4 ER, 6K 1BB). If he has another bad start yeah I guess maybe you could say that but he's only had one. One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 02:39 AM) Faded down the stretch? lol Fathom love you but you're talking out of your ass right now. Jackson had one bad start (the most recent one) and the one before that was "OK" (7.1 IP, 4 ER, 6K 1BB). If he has another bad start yeah I guess maybe you could say that but he's only had one. One. He's been hit extremely hard in his last two starts. Might have been in the game thread the other day, but Jackson's next start is pretty important to see if Cooper can fix some of the issues he's having (including possibility that he's tipping his pitches, which I don't believe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOAD is GOD Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Every single start as a D-back has been a quality start.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Hopefully for KW and our sake, he can extend Jackson for a couple more years at least (at a decent salary). Still young in his own right. Probably the only way alot of us here can actually stomach the deal if Jackson is locked up for more than one season next year. Good luck doing that with Boras, Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Kenny has had a really rough 2010, to say the least. Yuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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