Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) Ozzie likes Kotsay and so called baseball experts say he brings a lot to the team. I don't know about that, but my guess is he continues to play. Teahan will stay in the minors until the last possible moment. Right now, Viciedo is not making a strong case for keeping him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 At some point he's gotta be a little more selective. Still love his potential, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 07:38 PM) Right now, Viciedo is not making a strong case for keeping him up. Neither is Lilly all of the sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 10:46 PM) Neither is Lilly all of the sudden. And Kotsay still isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 08:38 PM) Right now, Viciedo is not making a strong case for keeping him up. He needs to go down for a few weeks and play every day and then come back up on September 1st. Love what i've seen out of him all things considered, and am still excited about his potential, but the past week it's been made clear he isnt ready for every day major league duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 07:58 AM) He needs to go down for a few weeks and play every day and then come back up on September 1st. Love what i've seen out of him all things considered, and am still excited about his potential, but the past week it's been made clear he isnt ready for every day major league duties. I think there'd be no problem with keeping him in the big leagues...if we were the Royals or Indians. But this team is in a legit pennant race right now...developing young guys' ability to adapt to big league pitching has to be a secondary concern to winning games. We can't afford to waste outs right now on anyone except Kotsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 08:19 AM) I think there'd be no problem with keeping him in the big leagues...if we were the Royals or Indians. But this team is in a legit pennant race right now...developing young guys' ability to adapt to big league pitching has to be a secondary concern to winning games. We can't afford to waste outs right now on anyone except Kotsay. I agree. At least he was making contact when he first came up. He had 6 Ks in his first 63 ABs. In his last 15 ABs, he has 9 Ks & one hit (HR vs. DET). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 06:58 AM) He needs to go down for a few weeks and play every day and then come back up on September 1st. Love what i've seen out of him all things considered, and am still excited about his potential, but the past week it's been made clear he isnt ready for every day major league duties. Which is exactly why Ozzie has been hiding him in selected duty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:12 AM) Which is exactly why Ozzie has been hiding him in selected duty... I think part of the problem also was that Ozzie buried him when he was hot. Dayan was killing the ball then he didnt play for 3-4 games, got a game in, didnt play. They need to give him more consistent time than that or send him down. His up and in hole is really exposed now, he needs to lay off if he wants to stick in the bigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:16 AM) I think part of the problem also was that Ozzie buried him when he was hot. Dayan was killing the ball then he didnt play for 3-4 games, got a game in, didnt play. They need to give him more consistent time than that or send him down. His up and in hole is really exposed now, he needs to lay off if he wants to stick in the bigs That's what I've said all along - that Dayan should only stay up until Teahen is back. I just thought Teahen would be back sooner. Viciedo will go down, and come back on 9/1, which should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:16 AM) I think part of the problem also was that Ozzie buried him when he was hot. Dayan was killing the ball then he didnt play for 3-4 games, got a game in, didnt play. They need to give him more consistent time than that or send him down. His up and in hole is really exposed now, he needs to lay off if he wants to stick in the bigs All that would have done is exposed him quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 10:56 AM) All that would have done is exposed him quicker. That's not a bad thing with a 21 year old who needs to learn how to make adjustments to pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 03:16 PM) I think part of the problem also was that Ozzie buried him when he was hot. Dayan was killing the ball then he didnt play for 3-4 games, got a game in, didnt play. They need to give him more consistent time than that or send him down. His up and in hole is really exposed now, he needs to lay off if he wants to stick in the bigs Damned if you do; damned if you don't. That's why managers earn/deserve the big bucks. Ozzie plays him a ton and he goes 0 for 20, he's a bum for rushing him; Ozzie doesn't play him and he hits when he does play him, Ozzie's a bum for not playing him more. Personally I still think he should play every day and have somebody work with him as well. He has the talent. What's he going to learn in the minors? They will demand he take pitches? Edited August 12, 2010 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:58 AM) That's not a bad thing with a 21 year old who needs to learn how to make adjustments to pitchers. Not so great for a team in a pennant race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 02:56 PM) Not so great for a team in a pennant race. As I said 8 posts ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I didn't catch last night's game, thankfully. Did any of our pitchers throw at them or did we play with our tail between our legs again ala Jamie Burke style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 11:53 AM) I didn't catch last night's game, thankfully. Did any of our pitchers throw at them or did we play with our tail between our legs again ala Jamie Burke style? The only HBP in the game were Quentin and Beckham. Ozzie of course made a deal of having another "I'm gonna throw at everyone!" press statement before not doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 10:56 AM) The only HBP in the game were Quentin and Beckham. Ozzie of course made a deal of having another "I'm gonna throw at everyone!" press statement before not doing so. Ozzie is all bark and no bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 11:06 AM) Ozzie is all bark and no bite. It's not his fault Sean Tracey can't hit a six-foot target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 11:09 AM) It's not his fault Sean Tracey can't hit a six-foot target. How many times do we have to see another team push us around? We come off as a bunch of pansies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 12:10 PM) How many times do we have to see another team push us around? We come off as a bunch of pansies. Most of the time, frankly, I'd rather not give up the free baserunner just to be that way. Last night, for example...the Twins had enough baserunners. Of course, if we could have done jack squat with the bases loaded...that wouldn't have mattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 11:10 AM) How many times do we have to see another team push us around? We come off as a bunch of pansies. When you load the bases three times and only score one run, of course you will come off as pansies. Hit the f***ing ball when it matters, and those side games will take care of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 13, 2010 -> 11:10 AM) How many times do we have to see another team push us around? We come off as a bunch of pansies. I couldn't agree more. And not that I want us to be the aggressors, but it always seems that other teams will plunk one of our guys if things start going badly for them. They don't seem to have any fear of doing so, yet I never see a Sox pitcher do the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Morrissey has an attendance related article in today's Sun Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 All Hawk did the past three games was complain about the attendance. There was still 30,000 at every game. It wasn't like they 15,000 in the seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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