BigSqwert Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 I see Grienke has been a little cranky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 12, 2010 Author Share Posted August 12, 2010 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhFY...i-greinke081110 National baseball writers are now picking up on the story too, can't be making David Glass too comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 What kind of package do you think KC could get for him this offseason with no extension or with a window for a team to extend? Obviously his 09 was crazy good, something like a 205 ERA+. He has started 145 + innings 5 times. First time was exactly 145 innings when he was 20, and if memory serves me right they were actively monitoring his innings. He followed that up with a terrible '05 and I believe that's when he went on his leave to deal with anxiety. He has had strong years in 07 and 08, although only 122 IPs in 07, but nothing crazy and this year he has been OK, but not as good as 08 and certainly not close to 09. It will be interesting to see how teams handle him, obviously with him being only 26 there is a world of potential and one outstanding year on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 08:17 AM) What kind of package do you think KC could get for him this offseason with no extension or with a window for a team to extend? Obviously his 09 was crazy good, something like a 205 ERA+. He has started 145 + innings 5 times. First time was exactly 145 innings when he was 20, and if memory serves me right they were actively monitoring his innings. He followed that up with a terrible '05 and I believe that's when he went on his leave to deal with anxiety. He has had strong years in 07 and 08, although only 122 IPs in 07, but nothing crazy and this year he has been OK, but not as good as 08 and certainly not close to 09. It will be interesting to see how teams handle him, obviously with him being only 26 there is a world of potential and one outstanding year on the books. You have to think the price starts in the Sabathia/Santana range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 10:07 AM) You have to think the price starts in the Sabathia/Santana range. Either 1 legit top 20 prospect or a combination of 2-3 Hudson level prospects. Sound fairly accurate to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:07 AM) You have to think the price starts in the Sabathia/Santana range. hmmm, I would pass if I was a team and he's asking for that at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 6, 2010 -> 07:56 AM) You can make some legit complaints about keeping guys in the minors for too long...but really, there's a lot to like with how they've operated this season. Their minors suddenly look nearly loaded with talented guys They signed guys who blocked their young players...then dealt those guys for additional youth They held onto the guys under their control and waited for a great offer (Which they didn't get). Legitimately they need to start looking to move Greinke this offseason or next season. He's pretty good at getting Kenny to bite on guys he wants to cast off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 6, 2010 -> 01:58 PM) Everybody keeps talking about how the Royals farm system is stacked. That scares the hell outta me. But when is it going to turn into winning baseball games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 02:46 PM) But when is it going to turn into winning baseball games? Sometimes it never does. Sometimes guys bust, sometimes you waste draft picks, sometimes you have the wrong people in your org...but sometimes, you do what the Rays did in 2008 and totally bust out of it. There's still a ways to go there in KC to get the system legitimately built up into something that can sustain itself for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 They should keep him and pay his value. What good is it to trade good players, especially a starter, other than having a good farm system every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 02:51 PM) They should keep him and pay his value. What good is it to trade good players, especially a starter, other than having a good farm system every year? They haven't had a good farm system every year. They might be starting to get closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Mileage Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 6, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) I'll tell you what, I have no idea why teams like the Royals don't stock up on veteran relievers in the offseason, even if they have to overpay a little. As long as the deals are for one year, these guys are easy to move at the deadline and if they're performing well, can give you quite a haul. The Pirates' signing of Octavio Dotel is a perfect example. He has tried. Farnsworth, Cruz, Mahay, David Riske, Ramon Ramirez, and even Dotel. QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 6, 2010 -> 01:31 PM) They tried and they failed. Kyle Farnsworth, Juan Cruz, etc... Farnsworth was terrible last year, but Moore got a nice return for him this year. Can't blame him Cruz, a lot of teams wanted him. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 04:42 PM) They've been saying this for a decade. No "they" haven't. When Moore took over, there was almost nobody worth mentioning in our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 QUOTE (High Mileage @ Aug 15, 2010 -> 01:56 PM) He has tried. Farnsworth, Cruz, Mahay, David Riske, Ramon Ramirez, and even Dotel. Farnsworth was terrible last year, but Moore got a nice return for him this year. Can't blame him Cruz, a lot of teams wanted him. No "they" haven't. When Moore took over, there was almost nobody worth mentioning in our system. They did, but they also were reluctant because he was worth a compensation draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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