Ishmookie Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE M'S SERIES I EXPECT AT LEAST 35,000 IN ATTENDANCE FOR THE GAME AGAINST KC ON MONDAY. HECK IM ACTUALLY HOPING FOR A SELLOUT! IM GOING; LETS SHOW THOSE NORTHSIDE LOSERS THAT WE HAVE FANS AND BETTER ONES TOO! GO SOX!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE M'S SERIES I EXPECT AT LEAST 35,000 IN ATTENDANCE FOR THE GAME AGAINST KC ON MONDAY. HECK IM ACTUALLY HOPING FOR A SELLOUT! IM GOING; LETS SHOW THOSE NORTHSIDE LOSERS THAT WE HAVE FANS AND BETTER ONES TOO! GO SOX!!!!!!! Man if we can steal 2 of 3 from Seattle, i will be so excited for that Royal series!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Well, I can't go to Monday's game. But, I will be at Tuesday's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Man if we can steal 2 of 3 from Seattle, i will be so excited for that Royal series!! that will be sweet. lets keep it rolling, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I will say this one more time (I said this before we got on this roll). If fans showed up at Cellular, the Sox would spend more money and we would get even better studs through trades I know people keep pointing to me how JR does not do that and simply pockets the money, but I refuse to believe that. JR spent a lot with the Bulls. If the fans show up between now and the playoffs, it will help us be a contender next year too. Think about it, with a freaking 50 mill payroll, KW is aggressive as hell to win it all. Imagine if this guy had the Cubs payroll. Here is a nice article from the Suntimes today that reflects what I am trying to say even more articulately. Enough is enough folks, show up to the darn ball park and we can take over the city again. This team deserves it and Kenny deserves it. I do not see Kenny not going for it again next year even if we go to the 2nd round of the playoffs this year. ================================== Williams earns respect with Ken-Do approach July 31, 2003 BY GREG COUCH SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement KANSAS CITY, Mo.--It's lunchtime Wednesday, and I'm driving through downtown Kansas City. I hit a "major'' intersection. Dead. Three cars. Five people standing on one corner, two on another. Park for $9, and that's for the whole day, not the first 20 minutes. Drive along and you see from the occasional person smoking outside an office building that it apparently is wear-your-golf-shirt-to-work day in Kansas City. Meanwhile, one local columnist talks about how the Royals had better realize the importance of this series against the White Sox. Another writes how sad an era this is when the Sox can simply go out and try to buy a pennant. Boo-hoo. Actually, the Sox landed Robbie Alomar and Carl Everett for roughly 12 bucks and a stick of gum. But who cares? The exciting thing is this: The Sox are the monster in the room. For once, the Sox feel like the big time. And it's time to credit the person who got them there. Ken Williams. That's right. The same general manager who brought us David Wells and Todd Ritchie, and showed a tendency to swing for the fences and miss, has built the Sox into the team that is going to win the division. "The only thing people refer to when they talk about me is Wells and Ritchie,'' Williams said. "I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone else and I told [sox chairman] Jerry Reinsdorf: 'It's not the last time I'm going to make a mistake.' "I'm actively, aggressively pursuing important guys. But [stuff] is going to happen.'' Well, good stuff is happening now, and I'm somehow growing to respect Williams' mistakes anyway. On Wednesday, his latest pickup, lefty reliever Scott Schoeneweis, joined the team from the Angels. It looks like another good move, but who knows? He might flop. The thing we can't know for sure about Williams is whether he blew it in the big moments before because he was duped, as the book written about A's general manager Billy Beane said. Is he just getting lucky now? Here's my answer: Who cares? At least the guy is trying to make big moves, trying to hit a home run. The most embarrassing at-bats come when you stand there with the bat on your shoulder, not when you swing and miss. Williams doesn't do that. Stand there, that is. Oh, he swings and misses plenty. And if this is all part of a grand plan, or if he just gets itchy, I don't really care. Thank goodness someone is trying to go all out, not just bring in a replacement center fielder and a project third baseman. Cubs GM Jim Hendry was hailed the king for that. Williams is trying, and trying and failing is a lot better than not really trying at all. "Excuse me, but it's been quite a while in Chicago when a team has gone deep into the playoffs,'' he said, "and possibly the World Series.'' Have you ever heard a Chicago baseball GM use the words World Series before? Come to think of it, I never hear the words Stanley Cup or Super Bowl or NBA Finals, either. Our teams have hypnotized this town into forgetting those words even exist. I guess what I'm saying is that I respect Williams for dreaming. This time, he has hit it big-time with Alomar. I still like pitcher Bartolo Colon, too. And Everett. Yes, he gave up All-Star closer Keith Foulke for All-Flop closer Billy Koch. "People say I gave up too much for Everett,'' Williams said. "Excuse me if I don't care if I give up a prospect. "I would rather take a shot at winning this thing now, going for it all and changing this around. Changing the attitude and the fans. We're in a major city here. Win now, and then maybe we don't have to keep piecing this thing together all the time. Maybe we don't have to try to figure out how to do it on a $50 million payroll.'' Keep dreaming, Ken. Keep swinging. The Cubs are doing less on an $80 million payroll. Imagine Williams with $80 million. The flops would be phenomenal. Today's trade deadline is 3 p.m., and Williams said he has something else going. Heaven help us. "And if it doesn't work out,'' he said, "well, then I'll have [messed] that one up, too.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted August 1, 2003 Author Share Posted August 1, 2003 I READ THAT AND IF WE COME TO GAMES WE CAN RESIGN EVERYBODY AND NOT SCREAM IN THE OFF-SEASON ABOUT THIS SESON BEING A ONE YEAR THING. WE SHOULD SUPPORT OUR TEAM SELLOUT THE SERIES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Well, I can't go to Monday's game. But, I will be at Tuesday's. OHH Heather why most ya mock me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 WOW I never thought of getting over 30,000 on any game besides Cubs and playoffs..YA guys think that's possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 OHH Heather why most ya mock me How am I mocking you, Mr. BE BAD??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 WOW I never thought of getting over 30,000 on any game besides Cubs and playoffs..YA guys think that's possible It did happen that first game in the sweep of Minnesota, where there was some 14000 walkup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 another point is lets assume that we do good this yr, regardless of how good. the attendance the rest of the season goes up. you keep the major players and build on it in the offseason. the fan base will build from the beginning. more money for jr and owners. more success on the field more fans in the seats.....etc......... do you and anybody see the circle? now is the time to take advantage of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 How am I mocking you, Mr. BE BAD??? CAUSE I dont live next to the Cell or in the same time zone for that matterrrrrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted August 1, 2003 Author Share Posted August 1, 2003 31,000 WHEN CLEVELAND CAME DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE STREAK THAT STARTED EVERYTHING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 WOW I never thought of getting over 30,000 on any game besides Cubs and playoffs..YA guys think that's possible its been done many, many times - just last Monday against Cleveland - check the numbers some times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted August 1, 2003 Author Share Posted August 1, 2003 IM SHOOTING FOR 40,000+ IN THE KC SERIES! I FEEL ITS REALISTIC. IF ITS ONLY A GOOD CROWD I WILL BE DEEPLY DISSAPOINTED. PLUS ITS A HALF PRICE NIGHT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 LETS SHOW THOSE NORTHSIDE LOSERS THAT WE HAVE FANS as lovingly as I can say, I don't give a damn about showing cubs fans anything - the cubs in no way define my life, including doing somthing so that they will notice - we need a full house to show our team that we support them and to create our own atmosphere - do it for us and only us - I agree that I hope the place is packed - if we go 0-3 at Seatltle it will hurt, if we go 3-0 they place will have 35,000+ - wasn't so long ago though - 1999 in fact - we swept three at wrigley and the next day total attendance was 12,000 and I was one of those there - it wasn't until 2000 that we started getting the crowds when the buzz got going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 There should be at least 35,000+ at both Monday and Tuesday's games. Both being half price nights. We've seen it in the low 30,000s at other half price games and with the current hot streak I think that a few thousand extra will show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I will say this one more time (I said this before we got on this roll). If fans showed up at Cellular, the Sox would spend more money and we would get even better studs through trades I know people keep pointing to me how JR does not do that and simply pockets the money, but I refuse to believe that. JR spent a lot with the Bulls. If the fans show up between now and the playoffs, it will help us be a contender next year too. Think about it, with a freaking 50 mill payroll, KW is aggressive as hell to win it all. Imagine if this guy had the Cubs payroll. Here is a nice article from the Suntimes today that reflects what I am trying to say even more articulately. Enough is enough folks, show up to the darn ball park and we can take over the city again. This team deserves it and Kenny deserves it. I do not see Kenny not going for it again next year even if we go to the 2nd round of the playoffs this year. ================================== Williams earns respect with Ken-Do approach July 31, 2003 BY GREG COUCH SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement KANSAS CITY, Mo.--It's lunchtime Wednesday, and I'm driving through downtown Kansas City. I hit a "major'' intersection. Dead. Three cars. Five people standing on one corner, two on another. Park for $9, and that's for the whole day, not the first 20 minutes. Drive along and you see from the occasional person smoking outside an office building that it apparently is wear-your-golf-shirt-to-work day in Kansas City. Meanwhile, one local columnist talks about how the Royals had better realize the importance of this series against the White Sox. Another writes how sad an era this is when the Sox can simply go out and try to buy a pennant. Boo-hoo. Actually, the Sox landed Robbie Alomar and Carl Everett for roughly 12 bucks and a stick of gum. But who cares? The exciting thing is this: The Sox are the monster in the room. For once, the Sox feel like the big time. And it's time to credit the person who got them there. Ken Williams. That's right. The same general manager who brought us David Wells and Todd Ritchie, and showed a tendency to swing for the fences and miss, has built the Sox into the team that is going to win the division. "The only thing people refer to when they talk about me is Wells and Ritchie,'' Williams said. "I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone else and I told [sox chairman] Jerry Reinsdorf: 'It's not the last time I'm going to make a mistake.' "I'm actively, aggressively pursuing important guys. But [stuff] is going to happen.'' Well, good stuff is happening now, and I'm somehow growing to respect Williams' mistakes anyway. On Wednesday, his latest pickup, lefty reliever Scott Schoeneweis, joined the team from the Angels. It looks like another good move, but who knows? He might flop. The thing we can't know for sure about Williams is whether he blew it in the big moments before because he was duped, as the book written about A's general manager Billy Beane said. Is he just getting lucky now? Here's my answer: Who cares? At least the guy is trying to make big moves, trying to hit a home run. The most embarrassing at-bats come when you stand there with the bat on your shoulder, not when you swing and miss. Williams doesn't do that. Stand there, that is. Oh, he swings and misses plenty. And if this is all part of a grand plan, or if he just gets itchy, I don't really care. Thank goodness someone is trying to go all out, not just bring in a replacement center fielder and a project third baseman. Cubs GM Jim Hendry was hailed the king for that. Williams is trying, and trying and failing is a lot better than not really trying at all. "Excuse me, but it's been quite a while in Chicago when a team has gone deep into the playoffs,'' he said, "and possibly the World Series.'' Have you ever heard a Chicago baseball GM use the words World Series before? Come to think of it, I never hear the words Stanley Cup or Super Bowl or NBA Finals, either. Our teams have hypnotized this town into forgetting those words even exist. I guess what I'm saying is that I respect Williams for dreaming. This time, he has hit it big-time with Alomar. I still like pitcher Bartolo Colon, too. And Everett. Yes, he gave up All-Star closer Keith Foulke for All-Flop closer Billy Koch. "People say I gave up too much for Everett,'' Williams said. "Excuse me if I don't care if I give up a prospect. "I would rather take a shot at winning this thing now, going for it all and changing this around. Changing the attitude and the fans. We're in a major city here. Win now, and then maybe we don't have to keep piecing this thing together all the time. Maybe we don't have to try to figure out how to do it on a $50 million payroll.'' Keep dreaming, Ken. Keep swinging. The Cubs are doing less on an $80 million payroll. Imagine Williams with $80 million. The flops would be phenomenal. Today's trade deadline is 3 p.m., and Williams said he has something else going. Heaven help us. "And if it doesn't work out,'' he said, "well, then I'll have [messed] that one up, too.'' Lets put it this way. JR has always said he'd spend the money on the Sox if the fans were showing up to the park. So far the fans have never put the pressure on JR (He spent his money back in the days) so why not put the pressure on him to increase the payroll next season. I really think now is a great opportunity for this Sox team. Unfortunately if they fall short (Meaning they don't make the playoffs) then it will mean that the Sox will probably lose a lot of players and the fans would once again complain (Well some of them at least). I think KW has put the team in place, now JM and the players have to get things done. I got confidence as long as they don't get greedy (By swinging for the homer) and as long as the team stays healthy. Come on Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 If thats who I think it is that wrote that article, I got to say awesome work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 look at what he did when the pressure was on, he went out and got the hr hitter in albert belle. too bad that never worked out. now lets look at the bulls, he spent the money esp on mj with what 33 mil a yr contract? i have and been a supporter of jr in doing the right thing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Think about it logically folks, if he earns more money he will spend more....it is simple economics. And do not give me this BS that he needs to spend first for the fans to show up He has put an exciting team on the field who is going to be in the race until the last week (and maybe the last 3 games of the year vs KC). Let's pack the Cell going forward and show the world we actually do care about our team. Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Think about it logically folks, if he earns more money he will spend more....it is simple economics. And do not give me this BS that he needs to spend first for the fans to show up He has put an exciting team on the field who is going to be in the race until the last week (and maybe the last 3 games of the year vs KC). Let's pack the Cell going forward and show the world we actually do care about our team. Seattle and that is the point that i been spouting. we now have the talent, let see the success and they will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 JR has these groups mainly to make his living now (From what I understand, I could be wrong) so he can't really take a huge loss every year. I think if Kenny does what I think he's done and will continue to do, we'll see the Sox acting like a more large market team in no time. But by large market I'm not saying an over 100 mill salary. I think things can be done without going that high in payroll and I can only hope that 100 mill becomes a soft cap by the next bargaining agreement with 45 mill the low end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 JR has these groups mainly to make his living now (From what I understand, I could be wrong) so he can't really take a huge loss every year. I think if Kenny does what I think he's done and will continue to do, we'll see the Sox acting like a more large market team in no time. But by large market I'm not saying an over 100 mill salary. I think things can be done without going that high in payroll and I can only hope that 100 mill becomes a soft cap by the next bargaining agreement with 45 mill the low end. ref your first sentence???? pls explain ref to large market, you deal from strength and not weakness. when you have a success and are coming from the position of success, you can make deals like the yanks have always done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 JR has these groups mainly to make his living now (From what I understand, I could be wrong) so he can't really take a huge loss every year. I think if Kenny does what I think he's done and will continue to do, we'll see the Sox acting like a more large market team in no time. But by large market I'm not saying an over 100 mill salary. I think things can be done without going that high in payroll and I can only hope that 100 mill becomes a soft cap by the next bargaining agreement with 45 mill the low end. ref your first sentence???? pls explain ref to large market, you deal from strength and not weakness. when you have a success and are coming from the position of success, you can make deals like the yanks have always done. By groups I meant the ownership groups, meaning that he doesn't have some huge enterprise thats making hundreds of millions, so he can't take a huge operating loss every year. JR is a business man and a damn good one at that. He's one of the rare owners in baseball that isn't screwing up the game (Minus the Albert Belle signing, which was to shove it in the face of the rest of the owners). If more of the owners operated like him, Arod wouldn't of got 25 million and baseball wouldn't be as screwed up. There are negatives to him too, but all in all I don't have a flaw with JR. I can't ask him to lose 15 mill a year of his own money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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