Sox @ Twins SLUMPBUSTER SPECIAL THREAD 9/18

[Brian]

That’s rich coming from the man whose managing to make White Sox games nearly unwatchable.

 

Ozzie isn't pitching the 9th innings.

[RockRaines]

Jones makes me wanna vomit

I was just going to post this. The fact that we run out a guy who is under the mendoza line makes me vomit.

[RockRaines]

Ozzie isn't pitching the 9th innings.

or calling the pitches, however somehow the last 3 losses are all his fault.

[ThunderBolt]

Ozzie isn't pitching the 9th innings.

Yeah, he’s just the man deciding who is. I guess if I have a problem with that stuff too, I should probably stop watching the White Sox.

[MattZakrowski]

or calling the pitches, however somehow the last 3 losses are all his fault.

 

Giving away outs. If he would stop, the bullpen (which has kept us as close as we are almost all season) wouldn't be in that position so often, so yes, he's helping us lose games.

[ThunderBolt]

or calling the pitches, however somehow the last 3 losses are all his fault.

I don’t remember saying that. I do remember Ozzie telling me not to watch my favorite team (The Chicago “f***ing” White Sox) because I disagree with a personnel move that he abdicated for.

[LittleHurt05]

Giving away outs. If he would stop, the bullpen (which has kept us as close as we are almost all season) wouldn't be in that position so often, so yes, he's helping us lose games.

 

What does giving away outs have to do with the bullpen blowing games?

[MattZakrowski]

What does giving away outs have to do with the bullpen blowing games?

 

If he hadn't given away so many outs, we would have scored more runs, giving the bullpen a larger cushion.

[LittleHurt05]

If he hadn't given away so many outs, we would have scored more runs, giving the bullpen a larger cushion.

 

Totally. The 13 times that Juan Pierre sacrifice bunted, if he had let him swing away, I'm sure he would have hit a homer and more runs would have scored. Same thing with AJ's 6 sac bunts and his .247 average. 25% of the time Pierre has been caught stealing, but how many times has he been able to score on a single from 2nd because he stole a base. But I guess if they didn't risk that, Rios or Paulie would have knocked him in with a double anyway, so whats the point. When runners get caught trying to advance a base, thats all Ozzie's fault too.

[Tannerfan]

If he hadn't given away so many outs, we would have scored more runs, giving the bullpen a larger cushion.

 

And you know this as fact?

[Kyyle23]

Im pretty sure Ozzie is the only manager in the majors that uses the sac bunt, so he is the only manager giving away outs

[MattZakrowski]

Pierre's stealing at a rate that makes him roughly a wash, but other than him and Andruw Jones of all people, every other player's SB rate is below the league average of 73%. And sac bunts are not good. Even with AJP's .277 OBP (note: Ozzie should start Castro more), .277>.000. Outs are a limited commodity. You get 27 in a game, 3 at a time to score as many runs as possible, and giving them away through sac bunts is not productive.

[Kyyle23]

Pierre's stealing at a rate that makes him roughly a wash, but other than him and Andruw Jones of all people, every other player's SB rate is below the league average of 73%. And sac bunts are not good. Even with AJP's .277 OBP (note: Ozzie should start Castro more), .277>.000. Outs are a limited commodity. You get 27 in a game, 3 at a time to score as many runs as possible, and giving them away through sac bunts is not productive.

 

 

you should be a manager.

[MattZakrowski]

And you know this as fact?

 

Maybe not literally in every game, but over time it works out to scoring more runs.

[MattZakrowski]

Im pretty sure Ozzie is the only manager in the majors that uses the sac bunt, so he is the only manager giving away outs

 

He has done it more than any manager in the American League (t-1st SH)

Edited August 18, 2010 by MattZakrowski

[BigSqwert]

Im pretty sure Ozzie is the only manager in the majors that uses the sac bunt, so he is the only manager giving away outs

We're 28th out of 30 teams in outs given up.

[Brian]

Yeah, he’s just the man deciding who is. I guess if I have a problem with that stuff too, I should probably stop watching the White Sox.

 

Everyone he puts out there in the 9th, they lose it. How is that his fault?

[Kyyle23]

He has done it more than any manager in the American League (t-1st SH)

 

how many of those were converted to runs? Just curious, I dont know.

[southsidepride15]

We're 28th out of 30 teams in outs given up.

 

Yeah Sqwert...ur sig told us that already. Thanks for the update. I'm so sick of people talking about Ozzie giving up outs. The big games we've lost all season and especially lately have nothing to do with giving up outs.

 

How about the fact that it doesn't matter who we put out there in the 9th everyone on this site and all other die hard Sox fan gets that "sick" feeling. We have a good staff and an average bullpen, with the lack of a shut em down closer. The team is aware of this as well, and to take words from Hawk's mouth "everyone's sphincter tightens up" in the late innings. Liney and few others are obv simply there to fill roster spots, while the likes of Santos, Sale and even Thorton are not established relievers that strike fear into the Twins or any other MLB club.

[MattZakrowski]

how many of those were converted to runs? Just curious, I dont know.

 

I wouldn't know where to find that for individual teams, TBH.

[elrockinMT]

Everyone he puts out there in the 9th, they lose it. How is that his fault?

 

 

It ain't his fault-it's their fault

[MattZakrowski]

FWIW, this year our bullpen ranks 2nd and 1st in FIP and xFIP in the AL, so it's tough to be too hard on a group that has helped keep us in the race this season.

[Kyyle23]

I wouldn't know where to find that for individual teams, TBH.

 

then how can you be so sure that giving up those outs didnt help the team? You would almost have to break them down game by game to see how many runs the Sox won by, how the situation played out, etc. before you can state "we are tied for first in outs given up and thats why ozzie sucks" and be right.

 

Its ugly when it doesnt work, I know. But if it didnt help, then nobody would do it. And saying swing away for every out you have doesnt always work when your team has players like Konerko who can roll into a double play faster than a blink of an eye.

 

Its frustrating to see every armchair manager point out every single thing and act like Ozzie is the only one that does it, because he doesnt.

[hi8is]

My hatred for the twins just doesn't stop growing

[MattZakrowski]

then how can you be so sure that giving up those outs didnt help the team? You would almost have to break them down game by game to see how many runs the Sox won by, how the situation played out, etc. before you can state "we are tied for first in outs given up and thats why ozzie sucks" and be right.

 

Its ugly when it doesnt work, I know. But if it didnt help, then nobody would do it. And saying swing away for every out you have doesnt always work when your team has players like Konerko who can roll into a double play faster than a blink of an eye.

 

Its frustrating to see every armchair manager point out every single thing and act like Ozzie is the only one that does it, because he doesnt.

 

I don't need to know how every situation worked out because I know that sacrificing outs is unproductive. And for a team that's afraid of PK rolling into DPs, we set ourselves up for that exact outcome last night with the sac bunt in the 10th.