SoxFan1 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:21 AM) Yep, but the one thing that would have me somewhat concerned if I was an MSU fan is that this team is made up of basically all JRs and SRs. They shouldn't be struggling like this right now. They're averaging 18 TO's a game to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 Kansas is athletic as all he'll and a team that can get tons better as season goes. Scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 11:20 PM) Oh I'm aware of their tendencies, doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen every year. And that's part of my problem with all the MSU fans I have to deal with daily. I respect Izzo, but after that I can't stand anything about that school and it's fans. They make it seems like it's ok to lose games all the time. If I had a $1 for every time I heard "They'll be fine in March" I'd be a thousandaire. The thing is, they've made 6 Final Fours in the last 12 years. That's as close to a lock as it gets. The statement "They'll be fine in March" is usually right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Mizzou vs. vandy...me and my gf have bets on this as it's our respective schools. I hope mizzou's strength (causing TOs) can dominate Vandy's weakness (TO's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Glad Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and MSU all agreed to meet each other for the next couple of years. MSU is overrated every year, but they end up winning the big ten, and do good in March which is all that matters, right? Either way, I really don't like MSU this year at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 WTF is Illinois doing and WTF does it cost money to watch games on BigTenNetwork.com??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I guess they played the first 7:22 of the Illinois/Oakland game with a womans basketball. Still not an excuse to be down double digits to Oakland, but at least they are leading now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Looks like they'll still cover but wow, what a bad first half for Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 08:12 PM) Glad Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and MSU all agreed to meet each other for the next couple of years. MSU is overrated every year, but they end up winning the big ten, and do good in March which is all that matters, right? Either way, I really don't like MSU this year at all. I think saying MSU was overrated coming into this season is a stretch. They were coming off back-to-back Final Fours returning Lucas (former B10 player of the year), Green, Lucious, Roe and Summers. Not to mention incoming freshmen in Appling (McDonald's All-American) and Payne (a highly thought of recruit). Chris Allen is a big loss (transfered to Iowa State amid rumors of an incident with Summers as well as sleeping with teammate(s) gfs). He was their best defender and shooter. While the six final fours are great, saying wait until March can blow too. I remember a Davis, Brown, Ager and Tolbert team that lost to Kirk Snyder and Nevada my freshman year then the team that lost to George Mason my junior year. Two first round tourny exits as well as a second round loss to Memphis (never happen now thanks to DRose haha) mixed in. This year just feels different. Izzo is used to having strong leadership on his teams however their best player isn't a leader (Lucas) nor is their second best player (Summers). Green is but he has to get that "point forward" crap out of his head when he has two terrific point guards. You can make a case Lucious is a leader (lead them to the FF last year) but he's still a backup on this team. There seem to be a lot of issues and this team could easily blow up on Izzo. Go Green! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 08:33 PM) I guess they played the first 7:22 of the Illinois/Oakland game with a womans basketball. Still not an excuse to be down double digits to Oakland, but at least they are leading now. ????? No one noticed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:08 PM) ????? No one noticed? Illinois players were complaining about the ball but for some reason the refs didn't listen. Illinois was down 15-4 before the ball switch. Oakland probably wishes they would have never switched the ball. From the Illinois rivals board: McCamey told the official after his first shot that there was something wrong with the ball. The ref told him to keep playing, until Richmond and Tisdale, as well as 3 Oakland guys said something. Amazing. That is simply inexcusable by the refs and not surprisingly Sanzere was involved. That guy is an absolute joke of a ref. Edited December 9, 2010 by whitesoxfan99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I think you can give Illinois a break for being down when using the wrong ball. Thats just messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:39 PM) I think you can give Illinois a break for being down when using the wrong ball. Thats just messed up. I wasn't thrilled with the performance tonight but I don't think people realize how much that would mess with a players rhythm. The women's ball is pretty significantly smaller and Illinois was never able to get in a rhythm in the first half. They then went out and scored 50 in the 2nd half playing with the proper ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:41 PM) I wasn't thrilled with the performance tonight but I don't think people realize how much that would mess with a players rhythm. The women's ball is pretty significantly smaller and Illinois was never able to get in a rhythm in the first half. They then went out and scored 50 in the 2nd half playing with the proper ball. The difference in balls(hehe) makes a HUGE difference. That's absurd that none of the officials noticed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:02 PM) The difference in balls(hehe) makes a HUGE difference. That's absurd that none of the officials noticed that. Yeah, I'm almost having a hard time believing the refs didn't notice. They must have held the ball at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:02 PM) The difference in balls(hehe) makes a HUGE difference. That's absurd that none of the officials noticed that. It's more ridiculous that when told about it, they didn't believe it. I mean I'm pretty sure players don't say those things to refs very often, trying to be funny or something or explaining their poor shooting. Guys who play with that basketball every single day of the week can notice a difference in a second, not sure why you would not check it out. So weird all around. I'm now trying to imagine a Sox game using a little league ball, or a rubber coated one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 wow i coach girls basketball and u can notice the difference right away. how the hell can refs who have been during this for years not realize that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Mizzou and Vandy last night had a GREAT game. I honestly don't remember a time where a lead was built up over 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 09:37 AM) Mizzou and Vandy last night had a GREAT game. I honestly don't remember a time where a lead was built up over 3 points. Mizzou is really overrated. They're struggling against good, but not great teams and blew that Georgetown game. They might have the worst perimeter d in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Balls a ton lighter than a regular men's ball. I don't know what the refs were thinking. And yes, it is super tough to get in sync. You guys saw what happened a few years ago when the NBA just switched the texture of the ball without asking the players. Even that threw them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (danman31 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 06:29 PM) Mizzou is really overrated. They're struggling against good, but not great teams and blew that Georgetown game. They might have the worst perimeter d in the country. After what Illinois did against Gonzaga, then thats a good sign for the Bragging Rights game. That being said, Illinois hasn't been able to beat a press for the last 3-4 years, so the 40 minutes of hell could give them a problem. Either way, it is good to see both Illinois & Mizzou relevant for their matchup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 08:21 PM) After what Illinois did against Gonzaga, then thats a good sign for the Bragging Rights game. That being said, Illinois hasn't been able to beat a press for the last 3-4 years, so the 40 minutes of hell could give them a problem. Either way, it is good to see both Illinois & Mizzou relevant for their matchup. Considering they shredded the press 2 years ago that is simply false. They were awful against Mizzou last year but that is an outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 07:28 PM) Considering they shredded the press 2 years ago that is simply false. They were awful against Mizzou last year but that is an outlier. Now that you mention that, yeah they did handle Mizzou's press before. But when they face other teams it seems like everytime they get pressed, it's nothing but trouble. Late in the game against UNC, they had the same issues. Edited December 10, 2010 by LittleHurt05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 (edited) So I have a serious question for the MVC fans on the board. What is the reason that the MVC is so bad this year and why it has been on a decline the last few years (UNI last year notwithstanding)? Generally I assume it isn't recruiting in a mid major like it was for the Big 10 when the Big 10 was down so is it coaching turnover and bad hires? Edited December 10, 2010 by whitesoxfan99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 OSU just sleep walked through a game because Sullinger dropped 40 and 13. Another freshman of the week award coming for the Buckeyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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