GET YOUR WAR ON!

[LowerCaseRepublican]

LINK!

 

Get Your War On! f***ing hysterical s***!

It even involves Voltron!!!!

[CubKilla]

You and Doub can always be counted on to post the true knee-slapper's on the WWW.

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[Chisoxfn]

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[LowerCaseRepublican]

Originally posted by CubKilla

You and Doub can always be counted on to post the true knee-slapper's on the WWW.

 

CubKilla, you always cease to amaze me. Did I strike a pro-Bush nerve?

[CubKilla]

Not at all. But, then again, you aren't dealing with a close minded buffoon either. Of course I'm pro-Bush..... as I was Pro-Clinton when he launched missles at an Osama Camp when many thought it was a "Wag the Dog" type play to deflect media attention away from the Lewinski ordeal. But then being behind the President of your Country, whether you like him or not, is inconceivable to someone who so brazenly "questions authority." Since you seem to be so anti-American in the garbage you post, why not come right out and defend Saddam as a patriot? While your at it, defend Hitler too. :****

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Originally posted by CubKilla

Not at all. But, then again, you aren't dealing with a close minded buffoon either. Of course I'm pro-Bush..... as I was Pro-Clinton when he launched missles at an Osama Camp when many thought it was a "Wag the Dog" type play to deflect media attention away from the Lewinski ordeal. But then being behind the President of your Country, whether you like him or not, is inconceivable to someone who so brazenly "questions authority." Since you seem to be so anti-American in the garbage you post, why not come right out and defend Saddam as a patriot? While your at it, defend Hitler too. :****

 

I am an American patriot. Lest we forget, our country was founded on questioning authority. Also, there was an amendment to our Constitution guaranteeing the right to free speech so people can say pretty much whatever the f*** they please.

 

Have you read the USA Patriot Act? It calls for:

-attorney/client priv. can be bugged by the US gov't if the client is deemed to possbily be a "terrorist"

-holding people for months as "material witnesses" w/out charging them of any crime nor letting them have communication w/ their family

-suspending the need for warrants to search people's houses and belongings if there is a possibility that the person might be a "terrorist"

 

I find it scary that to fight the "War on Terrorism" we are destroying the democracy which was attacked on 9/11 by getting rid of our essential Constitutional freedoms. We can have BOTH safety and civil liberties, and not have to sacrifice our Constitutional civil liberties to "gain safety".

To quote American patriot Ben Franklin "Those of us who would give up essential freedom in favor of temporary safety neither deserve freedom nor safety."

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Originally posted by CubKilla

Not at all. But, then again, you aren't dealing with a close minded buffoon either. Of course I'm pro-Bush..... as I was Pro-Clinton when he launched missles at an Osama Camp when many thought it was a "Wag the Dog" type play to deflect media attention away from the Lewinski ordeal. But then being behind the President of your Country, whether you like him or not, is inconceivable to someone who so brazenly "questions authority." Since you seem to be so anti-American in the garbage you post, why not come right out and defend Saddam as a patriot? While your at it, defend Hitler too. :****

 

I'd be behind our "President" if he really won the election. I'd be behind our President if he wasn't sending our American troops off to fight for oil in the Middle East. I'd be behind our President if he and Ashcroft would not ask for Draconian laws like the "Patriot Act" to be passed so as to not make great strides to an Orwellian 1984 state.

I'd be behind our President if he'd actively go after Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, not random peaceful middle eastern people who have nothing to do with terrorism. I'd be behind our President if he'd allow the weapons inspectors to work instead of trying to find every last excuse to drop bombs in Iraq.

Dropping bombs and fighting in the Mid East has happened for years...what has it gotten us? More hatred from the Middle Eastern people. Wow, how productive.

 

I'd be behind our President if he wasn't supported as a Christian right hardliner. I'd be behind our President if he gave a good goddamn about American civil liberties. I'd be behind our President if he guaranteed health care to all so we wouldn't have to deal with f***ing HMO's. I'd support our President if he asked for the UN sanctions against Iraq to be lifted because they are not effecting him. He lives in luxury, his people die. They are not effective.

 

Our "President" is good friends with corporations and not the people. When our President has something worth supporting, I'll be supportive.

[CubKilla]

Yada, Yada, Yada. You're like a broken record. It's interesting too how you pick and choose parts of the Constitution to back up your argument..... civil liberties and the right to free speech and such. Then you trash the parts of the Constitution that you either disagree with (electoral college anyone?) or refute or disprove your argument. Either you accept the Constitution as a whole or you don't accept it at all Apu..... you Rebel!

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Originally posted by CubKilla

Yada, Yada, Yada. You're like a broken record. It's interesting too how you pick and choose parts of the Constitution to back up your argument..... civil liberties and the right to free speech and such. Then you trash the parts of the Constitution that you either disagree with (electoral college anyone?) or refute or disprove your argument. Either you accept the Constitution as a whole or you don't accept it at all Apu..... you Rebel!

 

CubKilla, perhaps you haven't read the information about Katherine Harris and the vote fixing in Florida. Denying African American legal voters from voting because they were "suspected felons" which wasn't the case.

How about getting a bit informed?

[LowerCaseRepublican]

By the way, CK, you and NUKE like to say that Americans didn't want liberalism. Please tell me then why more people voted for Gore than Bush. K Thanx.

[cwsox]

sideshowapu, you are alright!

 

Keep on keeping on - and allow me once to enjoy from the sidelines, but you are doing a great job!

[CubKilla]

Originally posted by sideshowapu

By the way, CK, you and NUKE like to say that Americans didn't want liberalism.  Please tell me then why more people voted for Gore than Bush.  K Thanx.

 

Find the quote where I said that. K Thanx

[CubKilla]

Originally posted by sideshowapu

Originally posted by CubKilla

Yada, Yada, Yada. You're like a broken record. It's interesting too how you pick and choose parts of the Constitution to back up your argument..... civil liberties and the right to free speech and such. Then you trash the parts of the Constitution that you either disagree with (electoral college anyone?) or refute or disprove your argument. Either you accept the Constitution as a whole or you don't accept it at all Apu..... you Rebel!

 

CubKilla, perhaps you haven't read the information about Katherine Harris and the vote fixing in Florida. Denying African American legal voters from voting because they were "suspected felons" which wasn't the case.

How about getting a bit informed?

 

I am informed. It's just that I tend to look at both sides of an issue instead of just one..... kinda broadens my horizon.

[Cerbaho-WG]

I nearly died when I saw:

 

Work f***ing rules right now! All I've done for the past two weeks is masturbate to internet pornography!

 

TEH FUNNEH!!!

 

 

Then you trash the parts of the Constitution that you either disagree with (electoral college anyone?) or refute or disprove your argument. Either you accept the Constitution as a whole or you don't accept it at all Apu..... you Rebel! 

 

Oh, this is just way too easy. If you've EVER looked at the Constitution, some parts were taken out. Also, there are these things called Amendments to the Constitution. So, I guess all of the people who did the amendments were rebels, too?

 

Broadening your horizions? You're as close minded as you can get, shut up before you make yourself look like any more of an ass.

[Cerbaho-WG]

Since you seem to be so anti-American in the garbage you post, why not come right out and defend Saddam as a patriot? While your at it, defend Hitler too. 

 

See Constitution, freedom of speech. Also, if you were in Germany during the 1930's, I would bet my entire f***ing house that you would of went along kindly to Hitler. What would you do, keep suffering through a HUGE depression because of the Allies and the Treaty of Versailles, or would you go along with someone who could strengthen your country? Of course, this is assuming you don't know about the Holocaust.

[baggio202]

you guys talk about a george orwellian state...but you dems have done more to bring that about then anyone else...

 

what about attempts to refute the 2nd amendment??...you think taking guns away from citizens and leaving them in the hands of the governemnt only wont bring about a police state???..have you seen happened inaustralia when they banned guns about 5 years ago???

 

you talk about free speech...but which political party is it that was for banning "huckleberry fin" because it contained the word "n*****" in it???...

 

backers of which political party passed laws that prohibited pro lifers from excercisering their rights gaurenteed under the consitiution from prostesting outside of abortion clinics???

 

backers of which political party outlawed the christmas holiday in the city of eugene oregon , aka the people's republic of the pacific northwest???.. banned any prayer in public school by individuals..and also removed two crosses that were put up as a war memorial in 1946 because they were deemed offensive to non christians??

 

i could go and on with plenty of examples..

fact is both parties will use and misuse the constiution when it furthers their agendas...whether youre conservative or liberal , blind allegence to either party or to anything for that matter is really unamerican

[SI1020]

Originally posted by baggio202

you guys talk about a george orwellian state...but you dems have done more to bring that about then anyone else...

 

what about attempts to refute the 2nd amendment??...you think taking guns away from citizens and leaving them in the hands of the governemnt only wont bring about a police state???..have you seen happened inaustralia when they banned guns about 5 years ago???

 

you talk about free speech...but which political party is it that was for banning "huckleberry fin" because it contained the word "n*****" in it???...

 

backers of which political party passed laws that prohibited pro lifers from excercisering their rights gaurenteed under the consitiution from prostesting outside of abortion clinics???

 

backers of which political party outlawed the christmas holiday in the city of eugene oregon , aka the people's republic of the pacific northwest???.. banned any prayer in public school by individuals..and also removed two crosses that were put up as a war memorial in 1946 because they were deemed offensive to non christians??

 

i could go and on with plenty of examples..

fact is both parties will use and misuse the constiution when it furthers their agendas...whether youre conservative or liberal , blind allegence to either party or to anything for that matter is really unamerican

Great post, especially the last line. Baggs, Oregon is politically correct to the max. The Huck Finn thing was stupidity personified. Twain was light years ahead of most people on race issues and he used his book to attack racism and slavery. Jim is the hero. I knew that when I was 10 years old. Pittsburgh banned Christmas and Channukah several years ago in favor of SPARKLE SEASON. WTF Oh well, I said I'd try to avoid politics but I guess I'm unable.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Originally posted by baggio202

you guys talk about a george orwellian state...but you dems have done more to bring that about then anyone else...

 

what about attempts to refute the 2nd amendment??...you think taking guns away from citizens and leaving them in the hands of the governemnt only wont bring about a police state???..have you seen happened inaustralia when they banned guns about 5 years ago???

 

you talk about free speech...but which political party is it that was for banning "huckleberry fin" because it contained the word "n*****" in it???...

 

backers of which political party passed laws that prohibited pro lifers from excercisering their rights gaurenteed under the consitiution from prostesting outside of abortion clinics???

 

backers of which political party outlawed the christmas holiday in the city of eugene oregon , aka the people's republic of the pacific northwest???.. banned any prayer in public school by individuals..and also removed two crosses that were put up as a war memorial in 1946 because they were deemed offensive to non christians??

 

i could go and on with plenty of examples..

fact is both parties will use and misuse the constiution when it furthers their agendas...whether youre conservative or liberal , blind allegence to either party or to anything for that matter is really unamerican

 

Thank you Baggs. I never said I was a Democrat. Personally, I think the Reps and Dems are all corporate whores looking out for the big businesses that line their pockets and grease all the appropriate orifices.

 

We are becoming more of an Orwellian state. Being told that we are "either with the US or the terrorists" is not a fair statement by our Attorney General. We have been given Constitutional rights, and it is in the matter of any case that everybody needs to rise up and tell these f***ers that they can't rape any of us of our civil liberties.

 

I recently had my car vandalized after I had "Don't Ivade Iraq" National Peace Action posters up in my car. I am not completely oblivious to the good that the US has, I am quite the American. But I can see this country becoming a better place for all.

 

Banned books and banned music have been the influence, greatly, of the Christian right (i.e. Jerry Falwell, et al.) The Tipper PMRC stickers, Tipper is a conservative b**** with her head up her ass parading as a "liberal Democrat"

 

I love the fact that I can vote for my leaders in this country, I love that I have freedom of speech and that there is the ability to be constructively critical of my government if I do not approve of what is done in my name.

 

Blind approval of the Bush regime's raping of our civil liberties is unAmerican. Democracy is not a f***ing spectator sport. People need to get involved in it. Yes, Osama and Al Qaeda are an evil group. I doubt that more bombs and murder of Afghani and Iraqi people are going to alleviate that problem.

Treating people inhumanely is not going to solve that problem. If we enact a social policy of diplomacy we could make Osama the hated of the world economy instead of Dubya being one of the most hated me in the world community by wanting a pre-emptive strike on Iraq.

Our meddling in the Mid East w/ violence has just spurred more and more violence.

 

Before we can approve of the Bush regime, we need to ask a few critical questions. America was founded on dissent. Why are we being told that to dissent is being a terrorist now?

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Political debate aside, did anybody actually READ the cartoons?

[bjmarte]

I read the whole first page. Some were pretty funny, some pissed me off but I think that was half the point. All in all I ended up being more annoyed than amused so I stopped after the first page.

[SI1020]

I read the initial post and then I read Baggs which I responded to. Now that I've reviewed the whole thread I see it contained the usual insults and personal invective. Additionally there is a lot of historical mumbo jumbo too. You may not like George Bush and were free to vote against him in 2000, will be free to vote against him in 2004 but believe me he is no Herman Goering. That kind of mad dog attack style is not going to win you any friends, least of all any elections. It's the same with Bill Clinton. I personally did not like him but could make coherent arguments against the man and his policies. I wouldn't walk across the street to say hi to him. On the other hand, he was the President, his administration did have some accomplishments and some of the criticism was blinded by raw hatred, just what I see here against Bush. If the 22nd amendment was never passed I have no doubt that Bill Clinton would have won a third term. And guess what? He would be pursuing a policy very similar to what George Bush is trying, his recent comments notwithstanding. He would have been a reluctant warrior, just like Jimmy Carter was in 1980 and he would have kicked his party's left wing in the ass just like Carter did to Kennedy in the 1980 primaries. I'm sorry to tell you guys but the world is a very dangerous place and 9-11 did happen and probably will happen again. Whatever mistakes this country made we are in a war and I want us to win. I want us to win even more for Sideshow, cerb, mm, etc because you guys have a lot more time to go then me and my generation. Sideshow I don't agree with you very much but you do make some good points and show some wit and a lot of intellectual curiousity. I have three twenty something kids and have butted heads with them on occasion. Politically, they run the gamut. I never wanted to bash them and I don't want to bash you young lefties here but the tone of the debate just plain sucks. And like I said, folks are very polarized these days. Also, I hope a shooting war with Iraq is avoided, I am hardly a war monger. Finally I did not post this so someone could call me an asshole nor did I do it to stick it to the lefties here.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Originally posted by SI1020

I read the initial post and then I read Baggs which I responded to. Now that I've reviewed the whole thread I see it contained the usual insults and personal invective. Additionally there is a lot of historical mumbo jumbo too. You may not like George Bush and were free to vote against him in 2000, will be free to vote against him in 2004 but believe me he is no Herman Goering. That kind of mad dog attack style is not going to win you any friends, least of all any elections. It's the same with Bill Clinton. I personally did not like him but could make coherent arguments against the man and his policies. I wouldn't walk across the street to say hi to him. On the other hand, he was the President, his administration did have some accomplishments and some of the criticism was blinded by raw hatred, just what I see here against Bush. If the 22nd amendment was never passed I have no doubt that Bill Clinton would have won a third term. And guess what? He would be pursuing a policy very similar to what George Bush is trying, his recent comments notwithstanding. He would have been a reluctant warrior, just like Jimmy Carter was in 1980 and he would have kicked his party's left wing in the ass just like Carter did to Kennedy in the 1980 primaries. I'm sorry to tell you guys but the world is a very dangerous place and 9-11 did happen and probably will happen again. Whatever mistakes this country made we are in a war and I want us to win. I want us to win even more for Sideshow, cerb, mm, etc because you guys have a lot more time to go then me and my generation. Sideshow I don't agree with you very much but you do make some good points and show some wit and a lot of intellectual curiousity. I have three twenty something kids and have butted heads with them on occasion. Politically, they run the gamut. I never wanted to bash them and I don't want to bash you young lefties here but the tone of the debate just plain sucks. And like I said, folks are very polarized these days. Also, I hope a shooting war with Iraq is avoided, I am hardly a war monger. Finally I did not post this so someone could call me an asshole nor did I do it to stick it to the lefties here. 

 

Congress hasn't declared war. So, we are not in a "war". Also, thanks for the thinly veiled insult at me that I can't be coherent. Very appreciated. Thanks for insulting me in a veil of "I'm not out to bash the lefties."

 

What sucks is that by voicing my dissent of such things as the USA Patriot Law, I get told that I support Hitler.

 

Quick question: How much of 9-11 do you think had to do with US foreign policy to the Mid East? I'd just like to ask.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I've had the absolute s***tiest evening, so I may be a bit overboard on the bitterness.

[SI1020]

I don't "veil" anything I meant everything I said word for word just the way I said it. I was disagreeing with some of your points but also praising your own personal quest for knowledge. I don't know how you can possibly make that out to be an insult. One of the shortcomings of this medium is that you can't see the other person, hear his or her voice, see facial expressions. Shading, nuance, humor and tone are often lost. Plus if you are not personally acquainted with the other poster you can misunderstand and be misunderstood. I wish you knew someone that knows me. You'd be told I don't veil or bs anybody. I don't play mind games and I don't politic behind people's backs. Disagree with me hell ya if you feel like it. But don't say I tried to stick it to you. Lefties is not an insulting term any more than democrat, republican, socialist, etc. What a dumbass I am for trying to talk politics in a reasonable manner. Oh, by the way the pretzel comment in your original post is funny.

[SI1020]

Declared or not Western Civilization is in a war of survival. If I were in charge our foreign policy would be entirely than it has been for the last 30 years or so. However saying we are not in a "war" will not make the danger go away.