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Continue to defend Ozzie Guillen? He's a stubborn idiot who has no business coaching a contender. He consistently makes bonehead decisions with the lineup, the bullpen and on the basepaths. Every year he has a love affair with an absolute whiffer at the plate, while simultaneously withholding chances from young guys with high potential. He stifles development and seemingly has no ability to fire his team up in crucial moments. For the last several years we've been a team that really really struggles to get those crucial hits with RISP. It seems that so many of our wins either come at the hands of excellent pitching, or a total offensive blowout. We rarely seem to be able to just stay ahead of the other team, scoring after they score to keep in the game. He's loud and obnoxious with the media, telling sox fans to go f**k themselves, and a lot of guys don't seem to want to play for him (like Berkman). I don't care if we win the world series this year, I want Ozzie gone.

 

"Ozzie Ball" has just turned into "run into outs and baby your best players while paying no heed to stats or common sense."

 

I personally love Kenny & think he's one of the best GMs in the bigs. Keep KW, fire Ozzie.

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QUOTE (typewritermender @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 03:22 PM)
Continue to defend Ozzie Guillen? He's a stubborn idiot who has no business coaching a contender. He consistently makes bonehead decisions with the lineup, the bullpen and on the basepaths. Every year he has a love affair with an absolute whiffer at the plate, while simultaneously withholding chances from young guys with high potential. He stifles development and seemingly has no ability to fire his team up in crucial moments. For the last several years we've been a team that really really struggles to get those crucial hits with RISP. It seems that so many of our wins either come at the hands of excellent pitching, or a total offensive blowout. We rarely seem to be able to just stay ahead of the other team, scoring after they score to keep in the game. He's loud and obnoxious with the media, telling sox fans to go f**k themselves, and a lot of guys don't seem to want to play for him (like Berkman). I don't care if we win the world series this year, I want Ozzie gone.

 

"Ozzie Ball" has just turned into "run into outs and baby your best players while paying no heed to stats or common sense."

 

I personally love Kenny & think he's one of the best GMs in the bigs. Keep KW, fire Ozzie.

yea and then we hire some other no name manager and he sucks too and were in the same position

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QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 08:46 PM)
yea and then we hire some other no name manager and he sucks too and were in the same position

 

It's like not breaking up with your girlfriend, who you don't get along with very well and you have different values, just because you think you'll struggle to find someone else.

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It pains me to think of all the extra wins we would have had if another manager was here to not make the team hit .200 from April-June 10th, or make the starting pitchers not suck ass for 2 months, or make the bullpen not collapse. DAMN YOU TO HELL OZZZZIEIEIEE!!!!!

 

Its comical how upset you guys are getting over the most insignificant coach of the 3 big sports. Save your outrage for the disgrace that is the Bears coaching and front office that legitimately destroys that team.

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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 04:24 PM)
It pains me to think of all the extra wins we would have had if another manager was here to not make the team hit .200 from April-June 10th, or make the starting pitchers not suck ass for 2 months, or make the bullpen not collapse. DAMN YOU TO HELL OZZZZIEIEIEE!!!!!

 

Its comical how upset you guys are getting over the most insignificant coach of the 3 big sports. Save your outrage for the disgrace that is the Bears coaching and front office that legitimately destroys that team.

 

Every time I get upset about how the Sox are run and managed I think about the Bears and the Cubs and then I feel a bit better.

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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 09:24 PM)
Its comical how upset you guys are getting over the most insignificant coach of the 3 big sports. Save your outrage for the disgrace that is the Bears coaching and front office that legitimately destroys that team.

 

I'll give you the Bears comment...but at least we know this is their last year unless things going very well.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 04:41 PM)
I'll give you the Bears comment...but at least we know this is their last year unless things going very well.

 

I honestly don't believe that, we'll end up 8-8 and "give it 1 more year". And even if we do finally get rid of lubbie and his team of idiots, I don't think JA goes.

 

But at any rate, Ozzie is not killing this team like Lubbie and JA do. Not even close. If we don't win the division it will be due to 80% of the lineup not hitting for 2 months, no SP pitching (besides JD) for 2 months, the bullpen collapsing, and Peavy getting injured.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 04:44 PM)
Ozzie's been talked about waaaaay too much this summer. Yes he has done some really boneheaded s*** this year and he is responsible for certain situations that were ongoing (Kotsay) but damn. He's really not worth all this attention.

 

It's too easy. ARGGGGGGHHHHH OZZZZIEEEEE. He's become the new Bears QB, always a better option

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Yeah I'm not going to spend any energy defending Ozzie (he hasn't given many reasons to this year) but the pattern has gotten really old. Then it only gets worse when the inevitable "Ozzie is above criticism" or "so are you gonna give Ozzie credit NOW since the team isn't melting down and I don't look silly for mocking people?" counter-arguments start.

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QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 05:40 PM)
The pitch to Martinez was Buehrle's fault not Ozzie's. Right before the pitch I thought to myself....well Mark is going to pitch around him and put him on and then get Ortiz....but he didn't - Buehrle's fault!

 

So if Ozzie put me in to pitch to David Ortiz and I give up a grand slam, it's all my fault right?

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QUOTE (typewritermender @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 02:22 PM)
I personally love Kenny & think he's one of the best GMs in the bigs. Keep KW, fire Ozzie.

 

You don't think KW tried earlier in the season? As long as JR is the head boss, Ozzie has a life time pass unless he quits. In fact, I see KW re-signing sooner than Ozzie quitting.

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QUOTE (typewritermender @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 01:22 PM)
Continue to defend Ozzie Guillen? He's a stubborn idiot who has no business coaching a contender. He consistently makes bonehead decisions with the lineup, the bullpen and on the basepaths. Every year he has a love affair with an absolute whiffer at the plate, while simultaneously withholding chances from young guys with high potential. He stifles development and seemingly has no ability to fire his team up in crucial moments. For the last several years we've been a team that really really struggles to get those crucial hits with RISP. It seems that so many of our wins either come at the hands of excellent pitching, or a total offensive blowout. We rarely seem to be able to just stay ahead of the other team, scoring after they score to keep in the game. He's loud and obnoxious with the media, telling sox fans to go f**k themselves, and a lot of guys don't seem to want to play for him (like Berkman). I don't care if we win the world series this year, I want Ozzie gone.

 

"Ozzie Ball" has just turned into "run into outs and baby your best players while paying no heed to stats or common sense."

 

I personally love Kenny & think he's one of the best GMs in the bigs. Keep KW, fire Ozzie.

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lou piniella, bobby cox, dusty baker, tony larussa, best managers ever, yea tell me how many titles they have. yea, it obviously depends more on the players than the managers. we complain about ozzie, but everyone does the same when a manager makes a move and it doesnt work which happens all the time to all of them.

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lou piniella, bobby cox, dusty baker, tony larussa, best managers ever, yea tell me how many titles they have. yea, it obviously depends more on the players than the managers. we complain about ozzie, but everyone does the same when a manager makes a move and it doesnt work which happens all the time to all of them.

 

True. But the Sox look like a team just good enough to make the playoffs. Ozzie almost looks as though he's trying to prevent that from happening. Win or lose, there's simply NO denying Ozzie is f***ing clueless at this point... except when the stats favor Mark Kotsay.

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Continue to defend Ozzie Guillen? He's a stubborn idiot who has no business coaching a contender. He consistently makes bonehead decisions with the lineup, the bullpen and on the basepaths. Every year he has a love affair with an absolute whiffer at the plate, while simultaneously withholding chances from young guys with high potential. He stifles development and seemingly has no ability to fire his team up in crucial moments. For the last several years we've been a team that really really struggles to get those crucial hits with RISP. It seems that so many of our wins either come at the hands of excellent pitching, or a total offensive blowout. We rarely seem to be able to just stay ahead of the other team, scoring after they score to keep in the game. He's loud and obnoxious with the media, telling sox fans to go f**k themselves, and a lot of guys don't seem to want to play for him (like Berkman). I don't care if we win the world series this year, I want Ozzie gone.

 

"Ozzie Ball" has just turned into "run into outs and baby your best players while paying no heed to stats or common sense."

 

I personally love Kenny & think he's one of the best GMs in the bigs. Keep KW, fire Ozzie.

 

If it was possible I would use this as my sig forever more.

 

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