dmbjeff Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) why? don kelly has been hitting the ball well, miggy hasn't. miggy is the best hitter in the american league. i easily pitch around him to get to a hot journeyman any day of the week. i blast ozzie all the time, but not on that move there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 05:11 PM) Every 10-15 games, the White Sox just have one of these horrible defensive efforts across-the-board. haven't seen this yet, just the one terrible play by kotsay that led to 4 unearned runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Sep 8, 2010 -> 01:12 AM) miggy is the best hitter in the american league. i easily pitch around him to get to a hot journeyman any day of the week. i blast ozzie all the time, but not on that move there. Agreed completely, if Kotsay wasn't a mediocre defensive player, that inning never happens. Of course, pitching Harrell in a meaningful game is a recipe for disaster. 5th starter is now a huge concern going forward. Edited September 8, 2010 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Sep 8, 2010 -> 01:11 AM) he can follow guillen to the marlins That would be AMAZING...can we trade Ozzie for Logan Morrison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:15 PM) Agreed completely, if Kotsay wasn't a mediocre defensive player, that inning never happens. Of course, pitching Harrell in a meaningful game is a recipe for disaster. 5th starter is now a huge concern going forward. Is Orlando Hernandez available? 2005 Powers Activate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Sep 8, 2010 -> 12:18 AM) Is Orlando Hernandez available? 2005 Powers Activate! Don't get Greg excited! BTW, Garcia with nearly a 6 ERA since the ASB. It's funny how people still try to argue how great the Sox staff is compared to the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:15 PM) haven't seen this yet, just the one terrible play by kotsay that led to 4 unearned runs. 1) Teahen just had a horrible reaction to a ball that Vizquel would have stopped. Scores on Damon's homer. One run. 2) Kotsay's error opened the floodgates. 4 runs 3) Quentin threw needlessly to the plate instead of holding the runner at first...so when Ramirez had that play deep in the hole, he has a legit shot to get the runner coming from 1st to 2nd...except that runner was at 2nd instead, leaving no outs available around the diamond. Ramirez did save one run on that play, but it obviously wasn't enough with Harrell hanging breaking balls out there. 2-3 runs (contributory negligence) Edited September 8, 2010 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:19 PM) It's funny how people still try to argue how great the Sox staff is compared to the Twins. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 8, 2010 -> 12:21 AM) 1) Teahen just had a horrible reaction to a ball that Vizquel would have stopped. Scores on Damon's homer. One run. 2) Kotsay's error opened the floodgates. 4 runs Simply put, we didn't have a good enough lineup or starting pitcher to beat a good starter in Verlander tonight. Hopefully PK comes back soon, we really need some power in the lineup for those games when we can't string together 12 hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:22 PM) Indeed. I remember Rongey dismissing the Twins' staff maybe 6-8 weeks ago and knew he would end up eating those words. Of course, in the end, it will always be about our pitching, lol. So basically, no Konerko, no Beckham, no Garcia...not good. Although SUPPOSEDLY Konerko could have played tonight. Edited September 8, 2010 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 05:21 PM) 1) Teahen just had a horrible reaction to a ball that Vizquel would have stopped. Scores on Damon's homer. One run. 2) Kotsay's error opened the floodgates. 4 runs 3) Quentin threw needlessly to the plate instead of holding the runner at first...so when Ramirez had that play deep in the hole, he has a legit shot to get the runner coming from 1st to 2nd...except that runner was at 2nd instead, leaving no outs available around the diamond. Ramirez did save one run on that play, but it obviously wasn't enough with Harrell hanging breaking balls out there. 2-3 runs (contributory negligence) meh, i don't think that qualifies as a meltdown my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Pena will get Garcia's next start it seems. Makes sense with Ozzie holding off on using him in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 And Josh Fields is 4/10 for KC. Hitting 5th. Still has managed 3 K's in 10 AB's. At least maybe he can help the abysmal Royals beat the Twins once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 it was a stretch to beat verlander with freddy on the mound. I'm fine with taking 3 of 4 in detoilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Maybe we'll get to see Infante and Morel and Flowers tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 It's like Ozzie has a machine in the dugout. Two outs. Man on first. Must try to steal second, even if down by 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 05:32 PM) It's like Ozzie has a machine in the dugout. Two outs. Man on first. Must try to steal second, even if down by 5. it's not like you need baserunners....wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 That's just terrible baseball. Stop it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:07 PM) okay you ozzipologists, let me hear ya...tell me once again how kotsay > thome Ozzipologists will never admit that he even ever makes mistakes, let alone that he is an awful manager. The Kotsay thing is such an abortion, he should be non-stop booed every time he's on the field. He flat out sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:30 PM) And Josh Fields is 4/10 for KC. Hitting 5th. Still has managed 3 K's in 10 AB's. At least maybe he can help the abysmal Royals beat the Twins once. He was a star when he was playing out the string with the White Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgrad70 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:30 PM) it was a stretch to beat verlander with freddy on the mound. I'm fine with taking 3 of 4 in detoilet. No matter how you slice it, if the Sox are more than 3 games down in the lost column by next tuesday, forget it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:25 PM) meh, i don't think that qualifies as a meltdown my friend It is when we have no Konerko/Beckham and Harrell/Garcia on the mound against Verlander. Well, it's all semantics, maybe it was a bit of hyperbole, but let's just say if the defense makes all those plays the White Sox still have only about a 20% chance of winning with this line-up and Harrell pitching and on the road. How many bad jumps has Juan Pierre gotten this year? Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:25 PM) Although SUPPOSEDLY Konerko could have played tonight. Ozzie is saving him for an important game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) Maybe we'll get to see Infante and Morel and Flowers tonight! So either make it close or get blown out...because that 4-6 run deficit creates a really boring game and prevents us from seeing what Infante, Flowers, Viciedo and Morel can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 8, 2010 -> 01:34 AM) How many bad jumps has Juan Pierre gotten this year? Jeez. Pierre would have 25 CS if not for his ability to slide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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