2011

[TomPickle]

Early off season prediction:

 

Kenny packages Floyd for a new lefty bat. Someone like Matt Kemp sounds about right. Classic KW move.

But Matt Kemp bats right handed.

[macsandz]

A lot of that could be just the abuse his body has taken from his style of play. I don't get the need to connect every drop in production with roids.

 

It's been more than whispered by several media people both in Chi and elsewhere that Aaron jolted through most of the last decade.

[macsandz]

One of Danks or Gavin are gonna be packaged this off season I think...

DH...I'd really hate spending that kind of money for somebody like Dunn.

 

It's gonna be a wild off season I think...

 

Early off season prediction:

 

Kenny packages Floyd for a new bat. Someone like Matt Kemp sounds about right. Classic KW move.

 

Fixed...lol

[macsandz]

But Matt Kemp bats right handed.

 

That's his problem this season...

 

Seriously, the guy needs a change of scenery. He's loaded with potential and would be a good fit. Buy low on him as he projects to improve. I think Kenny and Coop have done what they can with Gavin and it's time to cut ties.

 

[witesoxfan]

That's his problem this season...

 

Seriously, the guy needs a change of scenery. He's loaded with potential and would be a good fit. Buy low on him as he projects to improve. I think Kenny and Coop have done what they can with Gavin and it's time to cut ties.

 

How is trading Gavin Floyd buying low? The thought behind buying low is that the guy doesn't cost a lot to acquire. Gavin Floyd is a pretty f***ing good.

[typewritermender]

Package Gavin to the Brewers for Prince! I think Floyd, Harrell & Quentin could at least get the talks started...

[fathom]

Package Gavin to the Brewers for Prince! I think Floyd, Harrell & Quentin could at least get the talks started...

 

Harrell's not a prospect, and why would the Brewers want Quentin when they already have Braun? Also, why trade a starting pitcher and possibly our lone returning power threat for a one year player who wants a king's ransom and Boras is his agent?

[gatnom]

Basically reposting what I said in the Daniel Hudson thread a few days ago: unlike NorthSideSox, I really do not like how this team is positioned for 2011. By my conservative estimate (Kalapse or somebody else more familiar with contracts around the league could give a more accurate one), we have roughly $85 million invested in 14 players, and those 14 players do not include our first baseman (and best offensive player for that matter), catcher, designated hitter, closer, right handed set up man, any of the bench, or any of the remaining spots in the pen. Our payroll this year was $99.575 million, and it will likely continue to drop, as it has been, with our ticket sales being even lower than they were last year.

 

This means that we will likely have to unload salary, and the best place to do that is the starting rotation since that is where we have the majority of it tied up. There are a couple problems with this. One, Buehrle and Peavy are pretty much untradeable. Two, if you trade one of Danks or Floyd in order to actually receive value in return, you now have to assume Peavy will not only be 100% healthy for the year but also not underperform like he did in 2010, and you also have to rely on a rookie pitcher without even a full season of professional baseball under his belt. You also have to hope that Edwin Jackson pitches closer to the 3.25 era that he has with the Sox than the 4.65 he has pitched over his career. And, if any of these conditions don't work out, we don't have any pitching prospects anywhere near the majors who can fill a spot in the rotation.

 

KW is definitely going to have to get creative this year, should be an interesting offseason.

[witesoxfan]

It really feels like this team needs one year of rebuilding. It's obviously possible for the Sox to put together a competitive team next year, but it seems like if they took a year off, spent $5 mill less (and used that money on international free agents and the draft instead) and signed some players to 1 year deals with the intention of trading them at the deadline for any prospects, the Sox would be better off and potentially even primed to make a huge move in 2012 with $20 million coming off the books. The problem of course would then be attendance and bringing people in, but if you have a good enough minor league system to the point that you can actually have some players step up and take on big roles with the team, you can get by with spending $85-$90 million on a roster and not only remaining competitive, but actually having a good team.

 

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According to Cots contracts, Buehrle's trade escalator only ran through July 15th of this year. On July 16th, he got his 10-5 rights and can turn down any trade he wants to. It really wouldn't surprise me if the Sox looked into moving him this winter, but there is no way St. Louis is an option, and I don't know if he'd want to go anywhere else. The Cards just signed Holliday to a huge deal, they need to worry about locking up Pujols long-term, and their 1-2-3 of Wainwright, Carpenter, and Garcia is good enough that adding $14 mill for a starting pitcher isn't going to be on their priority list unless the Sox ate money (which they never do). Peavy is untradeable at this point. Rios makes a bunch, but considering how long it took the Sox to find a legitimate centerfielder, I don't think they can move him. And then you get into players who are due in the $5 mill range (Pierre, Linebrink, Quentin, Teahen, Floyd, and Danks, along with Thornton making $3 mill) who are either going to easily be worth the $5 mill but are key components of the team, or are so bad that $5 mill is a huge overpay for them, and the Sox are going to have a messy situation this offseason.

 

 

[macsandz]

How is trading Gavin Floyd buying low? The thought behind buying low is that the guy doesn't cost a lot to acquire. Gavin Floyd is a pretty f***ing good.

 

I think Gavin Floyd is decent a lot more often then he is "f***ing good."

[macsandz]

Package Gavin to the Brewers for Prince! I think Floyd, Harrell & Quentin could at least get the talks started...

 

Fielder is never gonna happen. Acquiring him is not the problem. His next contract is.

[Milkman delivers]

Basically reposting what I said in the Daniel Hudson thread a few days ago: unlike NorthSideSox, I really do not like how this team is positioned for 2011. By my conservative estimate (Kalapse or somebody else more familiar with contracts around the league could give a more accurate one), we have roughly $85 million invested in 14 players, and those 14 players do not include our first baseman (and best offensive player for that matter), catcher, designated hitter, closer, right handed set up man, any of the bench, or any of the remaining spots in the pen. Our payroll this year was $99.575 million, and it will likely continue to drop, as it has been, with our ticket sales being even lower than they were last year.

 

This means that we will likely have to unload salary, and the best place to do that is the starting rotation since that is where we have the majority of it tied up. There are a couple problems with this. One, Buehrle and Peavy are pretty much untradeable. Two, if you trade one of Danks or Floyd in order to actually receive value in return, you now have to assume Peavy will not only be 100% healthy for the year but also not underperform like he did in 2010, and you also have to rely on a rookie pitcher without even a full season of professional baseball under his belt. You also have to hope that Edwin Jackson pitches closer to the 3.25 era that he has with the Sox than the 4.65 he has pitched over his career. And, if any of these conditions don't work out, we don't have any pitching prospects anywhere near the majors who can fill a spot in the rotation.

 

KW is definitely going to have to get creative this year, should be an interesting offseason.

 

It's looking very bleak indeed.

[witesoxfan]

I think Gavin Floyd is decent a lot more often then he is "f***ing good."

 

A guy making $2.75 million who is worth anywhere between 3-4 WAR (or, if you prefer traditional statistics, an ERA of 4 and good K and BB rates) is pretty f***ing good, and he's only making $5 mill next year.

 

Freddy Garcia was "decent" this year. Gavin Floyd was good. Floyd is actually a pitcher that would really excite me under Dave Duncan, as I think Floyd would absolutely destroy opponents with that kind of philosophy.

[soxrwhite]

I think our pitching staff is way over rated. The bullpen really gave it up the second half and aside from Danks was any starter lights out.

Buerhle can't get the pith over 85mph

Floyd is inconsistent and seems to fold under pressure

Garcia-see Buerhle

Jackson 4 teams in 4 years. because he is so good?

Peavey, c'mon

Where is the true number one? Aside from Danks it is a staff of 4th and 5th starters.

Then there is the bullpeh---yikes!

[greg775]

Pretty good post since.

Our pitching staff ain't done it yet.

[LittleHurt05]

I think our pitching staff is way over rated. The bullpen really gave it up the second half and aside from Danks was any starter lights out.

Buerhle can't get the pith over 85mph -True, his lack of velocity has kept him from being a consistent MLB pitcher for the last 10 seasons

Floyd is inconsistent and seems to fold under pressure - I agree with that

Garcia-see Buerhle - Doesn't have the stuff he use to, but as a fifth starter he has been servicable. He had the velocity before surgery

Jackson 4 teams in 4 years. because he is so good? 9 starts, 3.18 ERA, because he is so good????

Peavey, c'mon - A Cy Young award, C'monWhere is the true number one? Aside from Danks it is a staff of 4th and 5th starters. - The true number one's lat randomly ripped off.

Then there is the bullpeh---yikes! - The bullpen went through a bad streak right when they needed to step up but 29 other teams would kill to have Thornton on the team and Putz will find a nice contract on the offseason. No comment on Bobby, but the bullpen was good, but slumped at the worst time

 

[typewritermender]

Okay, so I think we're all a little fed up with this team in 2010. I don't see the Sox making any major white flag moves towards a rebuilding era, and I'm afraid we may be stuck with another expensive 85-win season next year if we don't get a little more aggressive & creative (and cut the bull, and start considering sabremetrics & stats)....

 

BUT, let's say you're the GM. You have 5 offseason moves with the goal of making this team a CONTENDER in 2011. Let's hear your plans. I'll consider a move a FA signing or a trade (3-way trades okay). Letting a player walk or going to arbitration obviously doesn't count as move, but include those in your plan. Let's try to keep it in the realm of the possible. We're not getting Jeter or Lincecum. And we can't add too much salary.

Edited September 28, 2010 by typewritermender

[NorthSideSox72]

typewriter, I have merged your thread with this one, which is the exact same topic, and contains a list of the FA's in the first post.

 

[typewritermender]

typewriter, I have merged your thread with this one, which is the exact same topic, and contains a list of the FA's in the first post.

 

 

No problem, NorthSide. I edited out my FA list. I was hoping to do like a specific "you have 5 moves, what do you do" type scenario whereas this topic seems to be just more general 2011 discussion, so I thought it could be its own thread.