6-0 and 0-6

[hi8is]

I like this mucho...

 

 

I also like this mucho...

 

 

After today 2-0 and 0-2...

By the end of the weekend... 3-0 and 0-3.

[hi8is]

Can a mod please change the title to 5-1 and 1-5

 

Buddha has failed the sox.

 

Come on Krisnha!!! Down with the Twins.

[SoxAce]

And this thread is OVA!

[hi8is]

Can a mod please change the title to 5-1 and 1-5

 

Buddha has failed the sox.

 

Come on Krisnha!!! Down with the Twins.

Ahhh - never f***ing mind... Krishna blows donkey balls too.

 

Anyone who still doesn't wish Thome was signed - is a moron.

[soxsoxsoxsox]

I thought the Sox would come home and be geared up for this homestand. They just look completely flat. Hopes dashed, etc, etc...

 

[greg775]

I thought the Sox would come home and be geared up for this homestand. They just look completely flat. Hopes dashed, etc, etc...

 

Lots of tinkering needed.

Twins ain't going anywhere next season.

[elgonzo4sox]

Ahhh - never f***ing mind... Krishna blows donkey balls too.

 

Anyone who still doesn't wish Thome was signed - is a moron.

 

 

And anyone who could have predicted in January that Thome's OPS would rebound to 1.042 this season, after it had declined from 1.014 to .973 to .865 to .864 during his 4 seasons on the south side, is a genius!

 

Thomes ABs per HR on the south side: 11.67 in 2006, 12.34 in 2007, 14.79 in 2008, 15.00 in 2009

Thome as a Twin in 2010: 1 HR every 10.95 ABs

 

Stat after stat can be cited to show that Thome was on a 4 year straight line decline during his time on the south side. It was reasonable for the Sox (or anyone) to expect the decline to continue, given Thome's age.

 

 

[greg775]

I hope he hits 15 home runs this postseason and the Thome-led Twinks finally win it all.

Maybe then the jinx will end and we'll get back on top.

[Milkman delivers]

I thought the Sox would come home and be geared up for this homestand. They just look completely flat. Hopes dashed, etc, etc...

 

Never underestimate this team's ability to give up.

[Balta1701]

Never underestimate this team's ability to give up.

I do it a lot easier than they do. For example, down 6-0 in the first inning, I put football back on. They came storming back.

[Kyyle23]

I hope he hits 15 home runs this postseason and the Thome-led Twinks finally win it all.

Maybe then the jinx will end and we'll get back on top.

 

What jinx are you referring to? The Twins have won 2 world series within the last 25 years, it isnt as if they are starving for a world championship in that city.

[Balta1701]

What jinx are you referring to?

I believe it's the "The White Sox playing the Twins" Jinx of this decade.

[Dick Allen]

And anyone who could have predicted in January that Thome's OPS would rebound to 1.042 this season, after it had declined from 1.014 to .973 to .865 to .864 during his 4 seasons on the south side, is a genius!

 

Thomes ABs per HR on the south side: 11.67 in 2006, 12.34 in 2007, 14.79 in 2008, 15.00 in 2009

Thome as a Twin in 2010: 1 HR every 10.95 ABs

 

Stat after stat can be cited to show that Thome was on a 4 year straight line decline during his time on the south side. It was reasonable for the Sox (or anyone) to expect the decline to continue, given Thome's age.

So it wasn't bad to dump Thome when he was willing to play part time for $1.5 million? Konerko's production had declined in recent years. I suppose if the Sox traded him for some obsure AA players and ate part of his salary and he had the year he's having this year, you would have had no problem with that either? A HR every 15 AB is still 30 in 450 AB and 40 in 600 AB. I don't see where that's an issue.

[Dick Allen]

Why would Minny take 2 out of 3 on the road against the Sox? LOL. Minny just came off an extended homestand. Everybody has built them up like they're some amazing world beating team. Did you forget before their homestand they lost 3 out of 4 on the road to Texas? They just lost to Cleveland on the road. They're not some amazing road team. I'm not saying a sweep is probable. Tho I like the Sox to take 2 out of 3. Everything will have to be going our way to sweep them. Also we have Manny Ramirez and he changes the lineup now. It's gonna be a fun series as long as we don't stumble the rest of the way against KC. Heck we might even gain another game before we play Minnesota.

Other than the fact that Minnesota took 2 out of 3 vs. the Sox their first 2 trips in this year in April and August, probably nothing. BTW, since Manny Ramirez became a White Sox, I am tied with him in RBI. The Sox need to sweep. 2 out of 3 isn't good enough.

Edited September 13, 2010 by Dick Allen

[Kyyle23]

I believe it's the "The White Sox playing the Twins" Jinx of this decade.

 

I wouldnt call that a jinx since the Sox are the team that ended up with a ring out of the two of them

[elgonzo4sox]

So it wasn't bad to dump Thome when he was willing to play part time for $1.5 million? Konerko's production had declined in recent years. I suppose if the Sox traded him for some obsure AA players and ate part of his salary and he had the year he's having this year, you would have had no problem with that either? A HR every 15 AB is still 30 in 450 AB and 40 in 600 AB. I don't see where that's an issue.

 

One of our "rotating DHs" has indeed produced on par with what a declining Thome would have been expected to produce in 2010: Andrew Jones has an OPS of .824 and one HR every 14.05 ABs, which is a slightly worse OPS and a slightly better HR rate than Thome in 2009 - and Jones cost only $500K, plus he can play great in any outfield position, providing rest for a regular. Maybe Ozzie's main screw-up (since KW ultimately controls who's on the roster, not him) has been in not playing Jones enough.

 

The other point is that it is primarily Thome's outstanding year, far above projections, that is causing so much angst among the fan base now, especially the streak he's been on recently. When he's hitting into the shift or striking out, we don't see those at bats on the game highlights.

 

 

[Balta1701]

Maybe Ozzie's main screw-up (since KW ultimately controls who's on the roster, not him) has been in not playing Jones enough.

Really, this has to be challenged. We actually did try playing Andruw Jones nearly every day for a good part of April/May and we saw pretty quickly what happened; he got hurt and his body broke down. That was followed by a good long slump after he'd had to sit out for a while to rest and recover.

 

Jones has played just about as much as you can possibly play him without breaking down.

 

What we ought to have understood though is that with guys like Jones, and yes, Thome...if you push them beyond the point where they start breaking down...their performance suffers. So...the Sox got worse average production from Thome than the Twins have...but that was fully predictable from Jim's splits; each of the last 4 years he wore down in the 2nd half, and his OPS dropped by an average of about 75 points from 1st half to 2nd half. The Twins got around that...by limiting Thome to 175 PA's in the first half, and now he's killing the ball in the 2nd half.

 

Jones has put up good numbers for his role...but he's put up good numbers for his role because we haven't pushed him too far beyond his role. Try to get more out of him and he's going to tire out and break down.

[greg775]

Other than the fact that Minnesota took 2 out of 3 vs. the Sox their first 2 trips in this year in April and August, probably nothing. BTW, since Manny Ramirez became a White Sox, I am tied with him in RBI. The Sox need to sweep. 2 out of 3 isn't good enough.

 

True. Even with a sweep it would take a lot to pass them.

But if they win one game and are up five? It would take a monumental choke by Minnesota.

[35thstreetswarm]

I wouldnt call that a jinx since the Sox are the team that ended up with a ring out of the two of them

 

Agreed. And any Twins fan who tells you s/he wouldn't trade their "last decade" for ours is lying.

[Dick Allen]

Really, this has to be challenged. We actually did try playing Andruw Jones nearly every day for a good part of April/May and we saw pretty quickly what happened; he got hurt and his body broke down. That was followed by a good long slump after he'd had to sit out for a while to rest and recover.

 

Jones has played just about as much as you can possibly play him without breaking down.

 

What we ought to have understood though is that with guys like Jones, and yes, Thome...if you push them beyond the point where they start breaking down...their performance suffers. So...the Sox got worse average production from Thome than the Twins have...but that was fully predictable from Jim's splits; each of the last 4 years he wore down in the 2nd half, and his OPS dropped by an average of about 75 points from 1st half to 2nd half. The Twins got around that...by limiting Thome to 175 PA's in the first half, and now he's killing the ball in the 2nd half.

 

Jones has put up good numbers for his role...but he's put up good numbers for his role because we haven't pushed him too far beyond his role. Try to get more out of him and he's going to tire out and break down.

Which goes hand in hand with a criticism of Ron Washington last year. He played Jones too much was the concern. Jones has really be on a tear ever since his average was below .200. I really think, while he's worth his salary, people would be extremely dissappointed if he wound up playing every day.

 

 

[Kyyle23]

Which goes hand in hand with a criticism of Ron Washington last year. He played Jones too much was the concern. Jones has really be on a tear ever since his average was below .200. I really think, while he's worth his salary, people would be extremely dissappointed if he wound up playing every day.

 

Jones also pulled his hamstring pretty badly last year in May and he admitted that it affected his play for the rest of the year.